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Re:Study shows antibodies against PEG in 83% of the German p... by kragen on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:35AM (#38038997)
the fact that no-one is getting fat by drinking litres of olive oil would seem to conclusively disprove your hypothesis as previously stated

the cost of edible oil has not been a bar to access to calorie-dense foods for at least centuries if not millennia

clearly the proximate cause of obesity is eating more and metabolizing less (both by way of lower exercise and lower basal metabolism). but why are people doing that? did they lose the gene for willpower in a single generation? it seems to closely follow industrially-mass-produced foods, but the relevant feature of those foods is clearly not that they are more convenient or higher in calorie density than a can of crisco or an amphora of olive oil; they aren't

Re:Study shows antibodies against PEG in 83% of the German p... by nullindividual on Friday October 27, 2023 @10:58AM (#38039331)
Olive oil is a natural laxative. If you're gaining weight on olive oil, I'd be impressed, beyond how one would keep it down due to taste and texture.

People aren't gaining weight on olive oil because people aren't consuming it in mass quantities required to gain weight, if one could even do so after having your intestines coated by oil. But many are consuming highly processed foods which is shown to lead to less optimal health outcomes.

> clearly

Clearly a post on HN doesn't make for a scientific study!

Re:Study shows antibodies against PEG in 83% of the German p... by kragen on Friday October 27, 2023 @11:52AM (#38040138)
clearly

it's true about the laxative effect! you'd have to use a different oil. and it's true that steatorrhea ensues if you try to get all your calories from fat

but things like halvah, lemonade, buttercream frosting, and white chocolate are still a lot older than the obesity pandemic

Re:Study shows antibodies against PEG in 83% of the German p... by nullindividual on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:16PM (#38040469)
None of those would have been common as we know them today. Refined sugar was expensive until ~industrialization. And HFCS simply didn't exist, which is what people are really discussing when they talk about sugar, refined foods, and the obesity epidemic.
Re:Study shows antibodies against PEG in 83% of the German p... by kragen on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:36PM (#38040675)
industrialization was still 100 years before the obesity pandemic

the hypothesis that hfcs is significantly different in its nutritional effects from sucrose was interesting and has some anecdotal support but is not well supported by evidence so far

'refined foods' have many other nontraditional ingredients introduced around the same time as hfcs, like polyethylene glycol, and we might actually be talking about those instead