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Re:SpaceX Starship Super Heavy Project at the Boca Chica Lau... by lmm on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:32AM (#38021619)
> Is launch capacity the thing that holds back more space-based telescopes

Everything holds back more space-based telescopes - launch capacity, manufacturing capacity, research ideas. But the cheaper launching becomes, the more funding can be devoted to other parts (although something like Amdahl's law will apply), and may even trigger a virtuous cycle where cheaper launches mean you can get away with more standardised, less hardened hardware, which in is then lighter and can be launched more easily, and...

> are those telescopes going to have the same availability to researchers as terrestrial ones?

No, of course not, space telescopes are massively oversubscribed and difficult for even superstar researchers to get time on. That's exactly why we want to launch more of them.

Re:SpaceX Starship Super Heavy Project at the Boca Chica Lau... by ethanbond on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:50AM (#38021714)
Right so basically “we’ll maybe have more space telescopes someday” is not actually relevant to “you are effectively destroying terrestrial telescopes today.”
Re:SpaceX Starship Super Heavy Project at the Boca Chica Lau... by radu_floricica on Thursday October 26, 2023 @02:16AM (#38022293)
You managed to get exactly the opposite conclusion from what the parent said. This exchange should be on the wikipedia page for "confirmation bias". Funny af, honestly.

Just for fun: what exactly could the parent have said to change your mind? Because if the answer is "nothing", then you're a rock.

Re:SpaceX Starship Super Heavy Project at the Boca Chica Lau... by ethanbond on Thursday October 26, 2023 @09:04AM (#38024969)
Sure: SpaceX projects are putting up more space-based telescope capacity than they’re removing from terrestrial capacity, with either no variation or a good variation in the types of capacity (i.e. wavelengths).

It’s actually super straightforward.

The response seems “opposite” what was said because if you read between the lines, the whole comment was about hypothetical future improvements to the cost dynamics.

Re:SpaceX Starship Super Heavy Project at the Boca Chica Lau... by radu_floricica on Sunday October 29, 2023 @02:10AM (#38056186)
But... cost dynamics are about future movements. And SpaceX is an infrastructure company.

It's perfectly fair to say that constructing a road to a remote community will mean better ... everything ... for that community, but you're blaming them for not also building a hospital and a school at the same time as the road.

I mean, yeah, technically it's possible that we lose current capacity and we never get enough space capacity to make up for it but if you argue for this particular outcome, I think it's rather improbable. The parent made a very good point: cheaper and better lift to orbit means better ... everything. It would mean you have cost and capacity improvements for the whole chain, and yet nobody bothers to use this for JWST successors. That's a very thin line of probability you'd be arguing for.

Re:SpaceX Starship Super Heavy Project at the Boca Chica Lau... by ethanbond on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:01AM (#38057719)
No, it’s more like while building a road, they tore down a rudimentary hospital and school and told people “don’t worry, the road will hopefully make it cheaper to build a new, better hospital and school some day!”

And no, the condition doesn’t need to be that nobody bothers to use it, it’s that it doesn’t get used at such a scale on a timeframe people care about to replace the infrastructure it destroyed.

Re:SpaceX Starship Super Heavy Project at the Boca Chica Lau... by radu_floricica on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @04:04AM (#38095680)
Yes? I mean, imagining a hospital in a place without a road, it must be a pretty rough place. Having a road allows for ambulances, drives to a regional center and so on. I'd take the trade. And "tore down" is a bit of an exageration.