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Re:I Face Investigation for Terrorism by dragonwriter on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @06:56PM (#38019410)
> I do know what apartheid is: it's what happened in South Africa, when two groups of people lived in the very same place (i.e., in the same towns and cities) and were treated differently by the state. It's just like how Black people were treated in the US during the Jim Crow era.

Apartheid was different, it combined a version of the forced relocation and reservation system that the US used for Native Americans (only with the pretense -- with very little substance, but merely as an excuse for the central government to disclaim responsibility -- that the reservations ("bantustans") were independent states rather than territories of subordinate sovereigns) with the racial discrimination in services and facilities within the rest of the country proper that Black Americans faced in the Jim Crow era.

> Egypt used to own Gaza

Egypt occupied Gaza, the same as Israel later did, but did not claim it, establishing a separate protectorate (it was merged into the UAR with Egypt and Syria, and from which Syria later rebelled, but even then it was considered distinct from Egypt, and it was formally transferred to the authority of the PLO (though practical governance was exercised by Egypt) after 1964.

> Last I heard, Israel tried to get Egypt to take Gaza back.

Egypt can't take it back, because Egypt never claimed it.

The UAR can't take it back, because the UAR has been disbanded.

Egypt could reoccupy it, but why would they want to? (Especially given that the people there don't want Egypt to do so, and have been rather...prickly...about occupations imposed on them.)

Re:I Face Investigation for Terrorism by OfSanguineFire on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @11:56PM (#38021436)
> Especially given that the people there don't want Egypt to do so, and have been rather...prickly

I have worked closely with young educated Gazans on projects that outsourced to them. They claimed that they would love to get access to the Egyptian labor market, and get an Egyptian passport so that they could have a hope of working in other markets internationally. They’d leave Gaza for better opportunities elsewhere in a heartbeat. Yes, of course some other Gazans wouldn’t want to leave at all, and Hamas wouldn’t permit Egypt authority over the area. But Egypt’s refusal to open the borders to Gazans is about a series of security concerns of its own, and not so much about universal Gazan resistance to the idea.

Re:I Face Investigation for Terrorism by dragonwriter on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:06AM (#38021493)
> But Egypt’s refusal to open the borders to Gazans

Egypt's refusal to assist Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza via forced deportation is a different issue than the one raised upthread about Egypt’s earlier refusal reoccupy Gaza.

Re:I Face Investigation for Terrorism by OfSanguineFire on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:10AM (#38021513)
Again, the Gazans I have known complained about being forced to stay; they saw it that way, and not being forced to leave if the border with Egypt opened. Some people want to fight for their ancestral homeland or whatever, but other people want money and opportunities. But yes, as I suggested in my post, Egypt’s behavior re: opening the border or annexing the Strip has always been significantly driven by how its own population and other Arab states would perceive things, and not necessarily what a young educated Gazan might want.
Re:I Face Investigation for Terrorism by dragonwriter on Thursday October 26, 2023 @12:21AM (#38021562)
Are you referring to the refusal to open the border crossing that Israel has repeatedly bombed during the present crisis or the on-again-off-again status of the crossing in the years prior?

Because, yes, the closures prior to the crisis, between the openings, have been due to Egyptian security concerns (mostly breakdowns of various agreements between Egypt, Hamas, PIJ, and the Palestinian Authority on border management), COVID-19, and various other issues.