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Re:What being filthy rich in China looked like in 1, 1000, a... by vkou on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:57PM (#38007844)
Over the past decade, Hacker News has predicted approximately 15 of the past 0 Chinese economic collapses. In any thread about China, you have people shouting about underproduction due to demographics, grousing about their high youth unemployment, and also talking about over-production, and pointing at their ghost cities.

Alas, as all three of those very simple narratives are mutually incompatible, we find that year after year, China keeps growing.

Re:What being filthy rich in China looked like in 1, 1000, a... by berserk1010 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @09:08PM (#38007907)
And yet, European and American funds have been pulling out of China in the last few years. European, American, Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean manufacturing have been leaving China. Evergrande has gone bankrupt. Country Garden is next to go bankrupt.

Maybe all these smart money know something you don't.

Re:What being filthy rich in China looked like in 1, 1000, a... by xtian on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:03PM (#38008660)
They know something you don’t also: there’s going to be a war. Not because China is doomed or collapsing but because it’s not.
Re:What being filthy rich in China looked like in 1, 1000, a... by berserk1010 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:32PM (#38008848)
"did you hear that Jim! someone on hacker news said China isn't collapsing because it's not collapsing! and apparently if there's a war against the entire world it won't hurt them! I mean, Russia hasn't collapsed!"

"ok let's book next trip to Shenzhen...oh wait, the Chinese government just declared war on FoxConn by auditing and inspecting all of their factories at the same time https://www.reuters.com/technology/foxconn-shares-drop-after.... And they've been detaining Japanese executives without reason https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/business/japan-executive-chin...."

"Mexico it is"

Re:What being filthy rich in China looked like in 1, 1000, a... by xtian on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:55PM (#38008967)
Are you ok? Would you like to place a bet on China collapsing within two years? How about $10k?
Re:What being filthy rich in China looked like in 1, 1000, a... by hakfoo on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @12:29AM (#38009138)
I have to think there's a fair amount of political pressure these days to not be all-in on China.

See: any cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face trade rules. This isn't like dealing with the USSR, where the manufacturing infrastructure was admittedly a fair bit further back. We already taught them everything they know! Even if we can say "No new toys from ASML or nVidia", it just means it takes them a few years longer to develop comparable tech... and we don't get a cut of the deal.

I feel like the real interesting angle is what happens if the US loses its "aspirational" status, more so than any specific military or economic goal. How long will the world continue to look to Washington for leadership? I think they're already losing a lot of the developing world, with lack of a compelling alternative to Belt And Road and the BRICS-etc. organization.

Re:What being filthy rich in China looked like in 1, 1000, a... by mensetmanusman on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @10:21PM (#38008403)
Their current growth rate is a collapse.