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Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by Zufriedenheit on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @04:53PM (#38005403)
But what about all the small, independent forums in the internet? For them it would really be impossible to comply with monitoring every post. Often they are hobby projects.
Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by ianai on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @05:17PM (#38005751)
Thats obviously not a primary concern. Similar to how your home kitchen isn't going to have a food inspector show up and close it.
Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by username332211 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @05:37PM (#38006027)
The comparison you're making is nonsensical.

My home kitchen doesn't routinely serve strangers. The forum I host trough a server in my cupboard does.

If you want to make a comparison, it's between a small family restaurant and a giant fast food chain. It may surprise you but food inspectors treat both in roughly the same way.

Face it. Nothing meaningfully logically separates my forum from giant social media companies apart from scale.

Hence, small forums hosted by hobbyists and volunteers should be shut down.

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by glimshe on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @06:19PM (#38006475)
Anything at scale is something else entirely.
Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by username332211 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @07:29PM (#38007122)
Your implication here seems to be there should be different rule sets, one for small forums and another for giant social media. So, I don't have to monitor every post but Facebook has to, right?

But that doesn't mesh very well with your original post, does it? You argued that if it's impossible for Facebook, Twitter and other social media to monitor every post, then they shouldn't exist.

I'm sorry but it's not OK to create a rule just for Facebook that's impossible for Facebook to follow. If you want to outlaw Facebook, there are better ways than this Kafkaesque circus.

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by Alex3917 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @06:25PM (#38006529)
> My home kitchen doesn't routinely serve strangers.

Most states have cottage food laws, with basic regulations for small-scale commercial production. E.g. you need to take a course on food safety, you need your water tested, and you can only sell up to $X per year, but you aren't subject to random inspections. There is no reason why the web shouldn't be regulated similarly, with different rules based on the size of the audience.

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by username332211 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @07:34PM (#38007162)
How does that mesh with the original post's point?

If we have different rules depending on scale, how is it OK for the rules for large scale social media platforms to be impossible to comply with by large scale social media platforms?

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by autoexec on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:19PM (#38007586)
Ideally, no matter what the size of the platform is, if it's genuinely impossible for the people running that platform to not harm children, that should be their problem. If they can't figure out how to not be harmful to children, they don't get to exist. That's how it's supposed to work.

In practice though, it's not unreasonable to say that we should expect more from companies that can cause harms at a much larger scale. Perhaps there's some kind of threshold where we can accept some harm being done at a small scale while still not allowing harm at a much larger scale. Seems fair enough.

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by YouSuck2 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:57PM (#38007847)
You're making a ridiculous argument
Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by ForHackernews on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @05:37PM (#38006017)
What? How do you figure? I run a small hobby forum for a niche interest and it's very easy to monitor every post. We have five moderators, a couple hundred registered users and we get maybe 3 or 4 posts a day.
Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by username332211 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @05:11PM (#38005670)
To paraphrase the - Well, tough luck. [This] is YOUR problem, not MINE.

If hobbyists can't comply, maybe it's about time we prevented small independent forums from existing.

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by firecall on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @05:46PM (#38006113)
I frequent the OCAU forum here in Australia.

Moderating the News board became too arduous and carried potential legal liability.

So they turned the board off.

It’s really not that hard.

And anyway, just because you can’t fix everything, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try and fix something.

All or nothing thinking leads to inaction.

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by nitwit005 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @06:24PM (#38006513)
A lot of discussion forums died that way. They shut down the problematic parts, but those were also the parts people were engaged with.
Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by vasdae on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @06:17PM (#38006458)
So we can only have discussion forums where the owner is a big company that can afford to have a team of moderators around the clock. Yes, that's going to end well. (For the elites, that is.)
Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by firecall on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @03:49AM (#38010330)
My direct experience is that all social is now Dark Social.

It's invite only Groups on Telegram, FB Messenger, or Apple Messages mostly.

So it has ended well for my social circle ;-)

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by spookie on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @07:04PM (#38006906)
There needs to be a line drawn from those who service a large number of people, and those who don't. Either way, only those who are big enough can be actively monitored and accounted for.

Before the obvious argument "where do you draw the line?", I may add that only a select and obvious number of social platforms reach the level of Meta's.

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by username332211 on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @08:32PM (#38007684)
The original post claimed every post should be monitored for "harm to children". And that if giant social media companies can't do that, they shouldn't exist.

Now you want to exempt everyone apart from giant social media companies from that same rule?

This is getting a bit Kafkaesque.

Re:Meta Sued by States over Harmful Youth Marketing on Faceb... by spookie on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @05:59AM (#38011123)
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't notice that extremely important part. That is... more than kafkaesque. I thought the conversation was around marketing, not user posts.