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Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by rossng on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:16PM (#37987815)
> Ploito determines the employee focus using a specially developed formula, as well as tracks the attendance based on hours and work schedule (which are set separately in each employee's profile).

Feels pretty invasive.

Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by ann_kasumova on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:21PM (#37987881)
The software itself is not aggressive, it already depends on the management style and purposes. Thank you for your comment!
Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by rossng on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:53PM (#37988290)
Tools do not exist in an ethical vacuum. The design of tools also encourages people to act in a certain way.

If we call ourselves professional software engineers I think we should also consider the potential negative impact of what we build.

Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by ann_kasumova on Monday October 23, 2023 @01:14PM (#37988622)
There are creative professions, including developers and software architects, who do not do routine work, but come up with ways to solve complex problems. Of course, there is no point in measuring such work in hours spent at the computer, because the solution can come on its own, at any moment. At the same time, there are IT specialists in poor countries who cannot relocate, but want to find decent remote work, and the factor of distrust in them forces companies to refuse them.

In addition to qualified personnel, there is also low-skilled labor as the first line of customer support, where it is important to stay at the workplace strictly at the computer at strictly defined hours

Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by yencabulator on Monday October 23, 2023 @01:54PM (#37989164)
Sounds like you want to pivot from office video walkie-talkie to low-wage employee video surveillance. Enjoy your life choices!
Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by XAKEPEHOK on Monday October 23, 2023 @04:07PM (#37990849)
Yes, it is indeed our choice: to create a tool to weed out the lazy and deceitful, thereby forming a healthy and efficient team.
Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by yencabulator on Monday October 23, 2023 @05:24PM (#37991796)
Might I suggest you adjust your slogans then? Be honest about your ambitions of computer-surveilling the untrustworthy lower class workers!

> Combining the best of the office and remote work, we create the ideal conditions for efficient work.

This is a panopticon, not ideal conditions.

> Privacy first

Having video of your face sent to a 3rd party server for a whole working day is not privacy first.

Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by hotnfresh on Monday October 23, 2023 @05:51PM (#37992065)
This whole discussion thread (the whole thing, not just this branch) appears to have gone the way it did because people took the marketing site at face value and thought this was intended a general tool for OECD-state offices, but it seems it’s actually aimed at imposing surveillance on low-status offshore remote teams. The feature set makes a lot more sense with that framing (though the reframing may not affect the ethics of it)
Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by cwales95 on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:55PM (#37988321)
And yet you developed the functionality to enable them to manage in an aggressive manor. Doesn’t make you come off any better.
Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by ann_kasumova on Monday October 23, 2023 @01:15PM (#37988644)
This just an app, and aggressive manor of management depends on your manager/employer
Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by Anticlockwise on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:52PM (#37994707)
Do you really not understand that software influences people's expectations of what's normal? You're normalizing the idea that everyone should be always available by conflating "attendance in the app" with "working"
Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by unironic on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @06:33PM (#38019212)
You were so preoccupied with building an invasive tool, that you didn't stop and think if you should.
Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by juliend2 on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:24PM (#37987921)
Indeed. This reminded me of the Panopticon[1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by ann_kasumova on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:33PM (#37988036)
Thank you for your reply! Hm, it's interesting, but it's not like Panopticon because you can't even see anybody if you are not in the app:) So to see someone - you must show up!)
Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by juliend2 on Monday October 23, 2023 @04:03PM (#37990797)
I was thinking it might be some premium feature available for the employer (see, without being seen, and without any blur).

But yeah, if you do it the right way, that might not be the dystopian tool I am thinking of, HAHA ;-)

Re:Show HN: A virtual office for remote work by unironic on Wednesday October 25, 2023 @06:00PM (#38018936)
This is no different than how "Crossover for Work" is run. They take snapshots of your screens, record video to check if you are in front of your computer, checks productivity based ok keystrokes. While entirely legal, highly unethical