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Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by claudiulodro on Monday October 23, 2023 @09:54AM (#37985672)
Why is it unthinkable to make billionaires generate some income to pay taxes? I pay property taxes on the "unrealized capital gains" of my house, and somehow I make it work.
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by pclmulqdq on Monday October 23, 2023 @10:41AM (#37986316)
You don't pay property tax on unrealized gains in your house. You pay it on the appraised value of your house. If you don't like that appraised value, you can appeal it (and many people do), and it often doesn't rise nearly as much as the actual value of the house.
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by thomasdub on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:04AM (#37986675)
"An appraised value" could work for companies too! Though, in fairness, for many billionaires the gains are pretty explicit i.e. we know the public stock price or the 409a valuation.
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by roflyear on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:27AM (#37987089)
I don't know what you're arguing. You can contest the appraised value but rarely will you win unless it's egregious.
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by pclmulqdq on Monday October 23, 2023 @02:46PM (#37989884)
The appraised value is rarely very tightly linked to the actual value of the house. It gets adjusted once in a while, and if it's too high you can bring it down, but otherwise the appraisal tends to adjust with inflation while the house price tends to float relative to it.
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by roflyear on Monday October 23, 2023 @03:28PM (#37990400)
I just don't understand how this has anything to do with the wealth tax. It's not an argument against a wealth tax, it's an argument in favor of a specific implementation: what value we're using to calculate the tax.

> It gets adjusted once in a while

It gets adjusted nearly every year for most people.

> if it's too high you can bring it down

No, you can't. Not really.

Personally, my property taxes are about 2.25% on a appraised value that is about 70% of the actual home value. This sounds great, let's use these numbers for a wealth tax.

Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by pclmulqdq on Monday October 23, 2023 @03:51PM (#37990661)
> It gets adjusted nearly every year for most people.

For inflation, yes. Real re-valuations that mark the house to market are a lot more rare, and tend to only happen when a house is sold.

> No, you can't. Not really.

I have personally done this a couple of times, and all it tends to take is a nice letter explaining why the value is too high. At worst you need to get a new appraisal to support the letter. The value is rarely too high, though.

Property taxes in my area are also relative: the tax rate floats depending on how much the local government needs to raise. The sum of the appraisals for the city is added up, and your property tax is your proportional share of the total amount that needs to be raised. For me, that's usually around 1-1.5%.

This is all to say that property tax is not at all a tax on unrealized gains of your house. It's a tax on an imaginary number that occasionally adjusts to be similar to your unrealized gains, and often even has a rate that floats relative to it.

Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by roflyear on Tuesday October 24, 2023 @11:24AM (#38000454)
Didn't address my point, but thank you for the comment.
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by claudiulodro on Monday October 23, 2023 @02:03PM (#37989296)
I do pay it on the unrealized gains though! As the value of the neighborhood/property increases, the appraised value goes up and my property taxes go up. This increases my taxes based on the increasing value of a non-income-producing asset.
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by clarkmoody on Monday October 23, 2023 @09:56AM (#37985706)
Perhaps you shouldn't have to pay unrealized gains on your house?
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by vermilingua on Monday October 23, 2023 @10:02AM (#37985789)
Don’t like your odds of financing that scheme, unless you start taxing some billionaires
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by philjohn on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:02AM (#37986646)
Cool - how are the roads, local police, fire etc. getting paid for then?
Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by antisthenes on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:16AM (#37986866)
> I pay property taxes on the "unrealized capital gains" of my house, and somehow I make it work

Is the tax assessed value of your house actually the same or higher as its most recent market value? If something happened that would put your house market value below its tax assessed value, then you typically won't have any "unrealized capital gains" at all.

Somehow I doubt that, it usually lags true market value by at least 3-5 years.

Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by roflyear on Monday October 23, 2023 @11:28AM (#37987105)
> Is the tax assessed value of your house actually the same or higher as its most recent market value?

Why does this matter? Set an "appraised" value of stock portfolios > $10m, make it like the "worst downturn last 100 years" or something, and it would be more fair than home appraisals, and still generate the money we need.

These arguments are not in good faith IMO.

Re:Billionaires should face a minimum tax rate, report says by voisin on Monday October 23, 2023 @03:41PM (#37990543)
Could they also write off unrealized losses then?