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Re:Rivian R1T is the first EV to win the longest off-road co... by SoftTalker on Sunday October 22, 2023 @11:32PM (#37981301)
> The other large part of it is until something is better than the old thing in nearly every way there is going to be a significant volume of people who were really served well by old thing disgusted by the idea of new thing being called better already

That's it for me. I'm not philosophically opposed to electric motors powering automobiles. But none of them yet produced serve my needs as well as a gas or diesel powered car. EV proponents are obsessed with trying to "gotcha" my reasons, so there's no need to go into the details. If you're asking me to spend $50k or more on a car, it better damn well be a heck of a lot better in every way than the $5k car I am perfectly happy with, and can replace if needed for the same amount of money.

Re:Rivian R1T is the first EV to win the longest off-road co... by recursive on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:33AM (#37981672)
Not sure if this is a "gotcha", but there are many EVs available for less than $50k. Chevy Bolt can be had under $30k for the base model.
Re:Rivian R1T is the first EV to win the longest off-road co... by bbarnett on Monday October 23, 2023 @02:28AM (#37982227)
That's still very expensive compared to what he said, but I note that he had other reasons.

These are likely range coupled with charge time.

Some can't understand that no, 20 minutes of time (15+ minutes charging plus paying and hookup and so on), to barely 80%, when you can find a free supercharger without route diversion, isn't the same as a 2 minute fillup at the gas station.

It's just not. At all.

EVs are where we are going, and I am confident we'll get there for all usage cases eventually, but right now EVs are not suitable for some.

People need to get over this fact. EVs are not suitable for some.

And that's fine! So what of 20% of the population can't use EVs due to range, and another 40% due to cost. That's what early adopters are for, and the price will come down, range via charge time will get even better, and it will self resolve.

Frankly, if every car changed to EV tomorrow, we'd have blackouts everywhere, and be forced to restart depreciated coal power stations, just to handle all that sudden power demand.

Not to mention the immense cost of new infra, power transfer stations, etc, that needs to be built!

But again, we're doing a gradual rollout. People are switching. We'll get there.

But the comments of GP make me think he gets the ridiculous replies such as "but no you can just..." if he mentions "EVs aren't suitable for me".

The arrogance, and hubris in such replies are astonishing to watch.

Re:Rivian R1T is the first EV to win the longest off-road co... by pjc50 on Monday October 23, 2023 @05:46AM (#37983486)
> EVs are not suitable for some

Yes. There's a very odd phenomenon where both sides seem to think there can be only one winner, rather than a lengthy period of co-existence.

Re:Rivian R1T is the first EV to win the longest off-road co... by pjc50 on Monday October 23, 2023 @05:16AM (#37983302)
I've got a lot of sympathy for this point of view, as I drive a fully depreciated fifteen year old petrol car that is starting to rust through, but .. when you need to replace it you can just buy a secondhand one?

Environmentally it's almost certainly better to continue using an existing vehicle than to manufacture a new one. It's when you come to buy a new one that the choice matters.

Interestingly, depreciation is really dramatic on EVs. But there's also a high degree of churn. Companies introduce small EV models and then pull them entirely, so the old ones fall off a cliff value wise. I feel that savvy secondhand buyers could do fine.