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Re:Why Children of Married Parents Do Better by healsdata on Sunday October 22, 2023 @11:09PM (#37981165)
You seem to misunderstand how the adjective "toxic" is functioning in that phrase. Toxic masculinity describes a particular type of masculinity in the same way that "electric car" describes a type, or subset, of cars. Not all cars are electric just like not all masculinity is toxic. Hope that helps!
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Re:Why Children of Married Parents Do Better by klipt on Sunday October 22, 2023 @11:29PM (#37981282)
Sounds like a dog whistle to me.

If someone talked constantly about, say, "toxic women", would you really believe they were only talking about a subset?

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Re:Why Children of Married Parents Do Better by irrational on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:09AM (#37981520)
Well, people do talk about Karens, shrews, bitches, etc. which all seem to be different kinds of toxic women. Maybe there are just more named subsets for toxic women than for men?
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Re:Why Children of Married Parents Do Better by klipt on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:26AM (#37981620)
...isn't using the word "bitches" widely considered a dog whistle for hating all women?

Seems like you're agreeing with me.

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Re:Why Children of Married Parents Do Better by anon291 on Monday October 23, 2023 @12:16AM (#37981555)
There are academic articles on karens, shrews and bitches? You're claiming that the worst used in 4chan, reddit, and popular magazines carry the same societal weight as academic articles in policy and sociology journals. They don't.
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Re:Why Children of Married Parents Do Better by dryanau on Sunday October 22, 2023 @11:30PM (#37981291)
I doubt there's any confusion. The purported meaning of the phrase is clear. But its usage in practice is often (but not always) quite punishing toward masculinity in general.
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Re:Why Children of Married Parents Do Better by corbezzoli on Sunday October 22, 2023 @11:33PM (#37981307)
You're technically right, but then please note how the phrase "not all men…" is handled by social media.
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Re:Why Children of Married Parents Do Better by Jensson on Sunday October 22, 2023 @11:24PM (#37981252)
They really should change phrases like this that causes a lot of confusion and misunderstandings before changing stuff like "whitelist".
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Re:Why Children of Married Parents Do Better by strken on Sunday October 22, 2023 @11:42PM (#37981367)
Toxic masculinity as commonly used outside academia is very amorphous concept. It's more like a "green" car than an electric one. We all more or less agree that some cars are environmentally friendly and some aren't, but not where the dividing line is.

If toxic masculinity encompasses a big chunk of masculinity, if there's no clear definition of non-toxic masculinity that's actually masculine, and if toxic femininity isn't ever discussed, it can seem like masculinity is considered to be an overall toxic trait while femininity isn't.

I think the GP was responding to the broader idea that masculinity is especially toxic in comparison to everything else, rather than the narrow "some men light themselves on fire to prove they're macho and get hurt, and that's bad" defensible academic usage.

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