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Re:Who profits most from America's baffling health-care system? by jeffreyrogers on Sunday October 22, 2023 @01:41PM (#37977443)
Do you have data on that? The most recent data I've seen shows physician pay going up.
Re:Who profits most from America's baffling health-care system? by mirthflat83 on Sunday October 22, 2023 @02:02PM (#37977614)
> versus inflation
Re:Who profits most from America's baffling health-care system? by FireBeyond on Sunday October 22, 2023 @02:29PM (#37977836)
Show me one employment category that has steadily been going up "versus inflation" in the last 5-10 years.
Re:Who profits most from America's baffling health-care system? by Calavar on Sunday October 22, 2023 @02:47PM (#37977959)
Most actually. As a country, we've had about a 10-year run of wage growth beating inflation. This only flipped in 2021. But the compounded wage growth from ~2013 to 2021 still beats the downward trend from 2021 to now.

[1] https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2023/feb/nominal-w...

Re:Who profits most from America's baffling health-care system? by Calavar on Sunday October 22, 2023 @02:44PM (#37977946)
My apologies because I was trying to recall trends from memory, and my timescales were off. Physician wages started to decline against inflation in the 1990s. They have been outpacing inflation for the past 10 years or so, but have still not made up for the previous decline.

According to one historical physician earnings survey [1]:

> During 1987-1990, median earnings for physicians were $143,963 (interquartile range, 96,718-175,850) compared with $157,751 (IQR, 101,279-203,281) during 2006-2010 ($13,788 increase or growth of 9.6%; P < .001).

If we take the most conservative time interval (1990 to 2006) and plug it into the Bureau of Labor Statistics CPI Inflation Calculator [2] we see that the median 1990 physician wage would be equal to 224,080 in 2006 dollars.

Median physician wages as of now are $229,300 (2022) according to the BLS [3] or $255,200 (2020) according to the US Center for Economic Studies [4]. Plug that into the CPI inflation calculator, and the 1990s median amounts to $291,509 in 2020 dollars. So yes, physicians have seen a sizable decline in real wages over the last 30 years. Americans overall saw a significant uptick in real wages in the same time period.

Also, when discussing physician compensation, it's important to remember that there is a very heavy rightward skew. Mean wages are not representative of the typical physician. According to the CES report [2], the mean physician wage is $343,600, while the median is $255,200. This is why you will see dramatically different "average" numbers on physician wages in different outlets -- you should always check if it is a mean or a median.

[1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/1456053

[2] https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=143%2C963.00&y...

[3] https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/physicians-and-surgeons.h...

[4] https://www2.census.gov/ces/wp/2020/CES-WP-20-23.pdf

[5] https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=143%2C963.00&y...