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Re:The Decline of Computers as a General Purpose Technology ... by oytis on Sunday October 22, 2023 @05:34AM (#37974009)
Teaching people a scripting language when the language has been already chosen for them, platform has been prepared, data preformatted etc. might be easy - a non-trivial share of my classmates couldn't comprehend a for loop though.

To have real transferrable programming skill - I am not talking about one that will get you a software engineering job, just basic problem solving - you need to know an awful lot about how computers work. Otherwise you'll quickly get overwhelmed by errors you can't comprehend at all stages , not being able to get data in right format, not knowing what tools are suitable for what problems etc.

Re:The Decline of Computers as a General Purpose Technology ... by bee_rider on Sunday October 22, 2023 @10:13AM (#37975556)
It might be the case that a better language for this sort of thing would have to be designed. Maybe somebody needs to take another crack at the sort of Visual Basic/Excel type environment.

I think someone on this site chimes in occasionally with a sort of “spreadsheet, but each cell runs a line of Python” type program they’ve been working on (although I can’t remember the name unfortunately). That could be a good basis…

Re:The Decline of Computers as a General Purpose Technology ... by genewitch on Sunday October 22, 2023 @01:24PM (#37977288)
vb (6?) may have been copy and paste back in the day but with the advent and continuing "work" on .net VB is just as impenetrable as all the others now.
Re:The Decline of Computers as a General Purpose Technology ... by eru on Sunday October 22, 2023 @08:49PM (#37980392)
Spreadsheets might already be that better environment. You can solve a load of spreadsheets with some smarts and just spreadsheets (no Visual Basic or so necessary).

But that doesn't mean _teaching_ people how to solve problems is any easier.