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Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by AYBABTME on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:05PM (#37969614)
California is very expensive for what you get, and grew to become quite unpleasant to live in. High crime rate and a bunch of woke DAs and activists makes family life in the Bay area uncomfortable. And then you're supposed to pay a premium for it all? Expensive daycare, indoctrinating schools, crappy government and private services, high taxes, NIMBYs, and the constant moral judgment of kidless activists who know what's best.

If I were single and in my 20s, SF would be where I go for all the bright minds. But the calculus as a 30s yo with a family is that California overplayed its hand. We left and aren't coming back unless a lot changes.

Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by DeIlliad on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:13PM (#37969691)
> Expensive daycare, indoctrinating schools, crappy government and private services, high taxes, NIMBYs, and the constant moral judgment of kidless activists who know what's best.

All of this applies to Arizona, Texas, and Florida. Arizona in particular has had the highest increase in housing cost since the pandemic started of out of any state.

Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by majormajor on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:23PM (#37969778)
High increase != just as high entry price

If you can't afford a million dollar home you're gonna have a much harder time in urban or suburban coastal CA than you will in... almost anywhere else, including AZ, TX, FL.

The rest of the parent poster's complaints are pretty SF-centric, though.

Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by username135 on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:07PM (#37969627)
Youre conflating living in SF with living in every other part of CA. I can assure you that not all of CA is like SF
Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by AYBABTME on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:09PM (#37969649)
Urban California mostly is as such. Otherwise do tell me where?

Also I'm talking about my perspective living in the Bay in general.

LA is less bad.

Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by femiagbabiaka on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:26PM (#37969793)
SF isn't even in the top 20 most dangerous cities in California.
Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by outside1234 on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:10PM (#37969661)
Even more, SF is just a very small part of the Bay Area in general, which with the remote-first movement has also expanded to the north (Santa Rosa) and south (Santa Cruz).

There are many many places that are nice to live in California - and I almost don’t want to tell anyone about my town (Aptos) because I don’t want it overrun. :)

Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by LTL_FTC on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:25PM (#37969786)
Aptos and Capitola are really nice areas for sure! But I don’t think they’ll be overrun any time soon as there’s nowhere to build :) and I agree, there is much more to California than the Bay Area. Across the bay there’s PG, Monterey, big sur. Further down you have SLO, Santa Barbara, Santa Monica, Laguna, San Clemente, …
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Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by AYBABTME on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:18PM (#37969736)
I'm not. I just saw first hand how you call the cops and no one comes, can't be bothered. Don't leave anything in your car, don't ride your bike or get mugged. Drugged out zombies. I'm good. We were there in and out over a 5y span and I've had enough. How anyone convinces themselves that this is normal.. has Stockholm syndrome.

Since we arrived as foreigners, the locals all have been telling a well rehearsed line of "that's normal for any major urban area". These folks don't know what normal cities are supposed to be like. Clearly they think this as a coping mechanism or because they don't know what they're talking about.

Great things and ideas come from California, but this stuff is the tax paid for that greatness. The social experimental tendencies don't come for free or without consequences.

Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by LTL_FTC on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:29PM (#37969819)
Normal for any major urban area where one can live outside year round. Prob won’t find too many homeless encampments in Chicago for some reason.
Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by tick_tock_tick on Saturday October 21, 2023 @03:24PM (#37969779)
?? Even the local politician acknowledge crime or at-least super visible crime is up. They have different views of why but they aren't just like "no it's not!".
Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by jjav on Sunday October 22, 2023 @01:13AM (#37972998)
> makes family life in the Bay area uncomfortable

> If I were single and in my 20s, SF would be where I go

You're conflating SF and Bay Area. SF is not the Bay Area. SF isn't even in Silicon Valley, technically. The issues with SF are not the issues in SV/BA.

> California is very expensive for what you get

California is crazy expensive. Often I look for alternatives. What would be a good alternative?

I want to be near the ocean. I don't want to freeze in the winter and don't want 100F with 90% humidity in the summer.

Just with that criteria I ruled out most of the country.

But then add the requirement of having good jobs. So what's left?

So, here I remain in California.

Re:Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are goin... by glimshe on Sunday October 22, 2023 @07:30AM (#37974465)
I live in an area that meets most of these requirements, plus many others that California doesn't meet. I lived in many different places, including California, and in the end it's a matter of balancing the advantages and disadvantages of each place.

You are basically defining your requirements in a way that can only be met California. If California didn't exist, would you jump in the ocean? What I mean is that perhaps one of your requirements could be relaxed so you can get many other benefits. For instance, the "100F with 90%" humidity is greatly mitigated by Air Conditioning or going out very early in the day. When I spent some time in Louisiana, which is crazy hot and humid, I was able to mitigate the heat in the way I describe to the point that it didn't affect my life.