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Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by SubiculumCode on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @01:37PM (#37918599)
probably yes. although that's a bit of an article of faith. in analogy, I wonder how much progress and innovation, and general world progress, has resulted from opening the internet to include Russia, for example. Sometimes including actors that do not conform to certain ethical standards and trust worthy behaviors, leads to spreading infection and danger to the world.

Another analogy: Incorporating cancer cells into the body rather than sanctioning their growth, is a sure path to death.

this is not a directly equate China to cancer, especially the Chinese people to cancer. That's clearly incorrect. however, I do think it is correct to expect our trading partners to eventually establish trust with each other, on the geopolitical sphere, and if that fails to appear, it makes sense to diversify our strategic resources and partnerships

Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by verdverm on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @01:45PM (#37918746)
> Sometimes including actors that do not conform to certain ethical standards and trust worthy behaviors, leads to spreading infection and danger to the world.

The Chinese people are fine. You can see some great projects on GitHub for example. I hear Shenzen is something special.

The CCP is the problem, not the Chinese generally

Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by SubiculumCode on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @02:05PM (#37919084)
The Chinese are a great people. I want them to succeed. I know many tremendous individuals from Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Its the CCP that is the problem. I will say this plainly: Freedom for Hong Kong. Freedom for Taiwan.

I think I said that clearly, but apologies if it came out that way.

Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by jacquesm on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @04:01PM (#37920750)
> I will say this plainly: Freedom for Hong Kong. Freedom for Taiwan.

Freedom for China would be nice too.

Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by bluGill on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @01:53PM (#37918897)
I have no way to make that distinction. By virtual of living under the CCP, the Chinese people are also implicated as unethical and untrustworthy.
Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by verdverm on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @02:01PM (#37919039)
You don't find classifying and treating a whole group of people the same... bigatory?

You don't think there are Chinese that want a different governance model for their country?

Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by bluGill on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @02:35PM (#37919536)
I don't have a choice. I never deal with individuals in China, only the country as a whole.

I know many Chinese are not happy with their government. However I cannot do anything to help them.

Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by verdverm on Thursday October 19, 2023 @01:39PM (#37945944)
How do you not have a choice in how you view and treat others?
Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by TaylorAlexander on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @02:08PM (#37919129)
Generally inappropriate broad over generalization.
Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by bluGill on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @05:01PM (#37921503)
Like most people not in China, I never deal with individual people, just the country. I see nothing inappropriate about my generalization, please go into more detail so I can figure out what you are talking about.
Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by jacquesm on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @04:02PM (#37920758)
You just painted 1B+ people with the same broad brush, on account of something that they likely had very little choice in. Unacceptable, really.
Re:Export Controls on Advanced Computing and Semiconductor M... by protomolecule on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @04:06PM (#37920810)
"I wonder how much progress and innovation, and general world progress, has resulted from opening the internet to include Russia, for example."

Off the top of my head -- Nginx which is by some metrics the most popular web server[0]. Or Kotlin -- the programming language that Google recommends for writing Android apps[1].

"Sometimes including actors that do not conform to certain ethical standards and trust worthy behaviors, leads to spreading infection and danger to the world."

Could you tell how have you come to this way of thinking about a whole nation?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nginx

[1] https://developer.android.com/kotlin/first