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Re:Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax la... by bluGill on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @07:02AM (#37913130)
Not just empty land. The 'little old Lady' who lived happily in her small house for decades, while everything else developed bigger. At one time her house fit in, but now the rest of the block is bigger buildings worth a lot more.

You decide if the above is good or bad.

Re:Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax la... by vitus on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:10AM (#37913738)
I'm sure your intent was to express a hypothetical that this might not be a net good, but...

Something like 90% of boomers want to age in place (as opposed to moving in with family, or moving into some assisted living arrangement). This is a problem when that effectively locks up 40% of the housing stock.

Does this "little old lady" need a 1-acre lot for her gardening when she can barely walk to the end of it and back? Or could that lot be parceled up into 4 single-family homes, or dozens of apartment units?

Also: that small house will grow in value (along with the property taxes) until the value of the land almost entirely dominates. My parents are in one such situation -- anyone who would buy their house would assuredly tear it down to build something bigger.

Re:Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax la... by bluGill on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:31AM (#37913942)
The little old ladies I know keep healthy in their garden. It is a gym program for them. Yes, they are slower than younger adults, but they are still active in that garden.
Re:Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax la... by inpdx on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @10:13AM (#37915390)
How dare she live in a house she's been in her whole life when the government knows what's best!
Re:Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax la... by xp84 on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @10:27AM (#37915646)
I get that you’re basically right in technical terms. A nice condo development could meet all their physical needs in far less space. And we would all be better off as a society if that is what happened, if it could just spontaneously, voluntarily happen.

However it’s just not compatible with any concept of freedom, as understood by those people themselves. A lot of people have an expectation of fairness that they ought to be able to own a home of their choosing and stay in it until they’re ready to move (or dead). And they are sentimentally attached to their homes where they raised their children.

We in the West have a society whose framework is roughly aligned with that idea. We could change it, but it would require lots of other “the government knows best” policies, and ultimately the massive empowerment of police to enforce those “best practices” when people object. Even one would agree with the outcomes in housing policy, it would be pretty risky to create that kind of totalitarian situation in general, because we might not like the other “most efficient best practices.”

Re:Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax la... by Kinrany on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @08:35AM (#37913975)
The taxes can be delayed until the property is sold. This still disincentivises using land as investment but works fine for people who just don't want to move.
Re:Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax la... by cultureswitch on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @11:11AM (#37916374)
Does little old lady own her house? If yes, what's the problem with taxing the increase in value of her property caused by the environment becoming more desirable? All in all she's neither losing nor gaining anything.
Re:Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax la... by bluGill on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @11:38AM (#37916817)
She probably doesn't have much money. She might, but she might only have social security which wouldn't provide enough to pay those taxes
Re:Detroit wants to be the first big American city to tax la... by mactrey on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @02:33PM (#37919500)
As others have mentioned, it’s quite easy to structure a land value tax to avoid kicking little old ladies out of their homes. You are arguing against a strawman.