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Re:A little-known pollution rule keeps the air dirty for mil... by samtho on Monday October 16, 2023 @10:49AM (#37900597)
I find it difficult to believe that people would be shocked to discover that datapoints can be removed as a result of the spike identified as non-human-caused pollution.

We can’t regulate acts of nature, even if these acts are made worse by carbon emissions, as it’s useless to include data about these events as the EPA regulations are focused on voluntary emissions.

The real problem is that we rely on the blunt instrument of overall air quality to measure elective pollution in a shared atmosphere. This is far from my area of expertise so I don’t know how or if it’s possible to fix this measurement problem.

Re:A little-known pollution rule keeps the air dirty for mil... by mayneack on Monday October 16, 2023 @12:28PM (#37902246)
I doubt we can control something like a volcano, but the main example in the article, wildfires, can absolutely be controlled more than they are today.

If your dataset excludes natural fires, but doesn't exclude controlled burns, for example, controlled burns would end up looking more negative because they cause pollution and don't get "credit" for any prevention.

Re:A little-known pollution rule keeps the air dirty for mil... by samtho on Monday October 16, 2023 @03:07PM (#37904635)
It sounds like we’re either measuring the wrong thing or putting too much weight behind a measurement that sums up an inherently complex system. This measurement matters enough to be able to petition days to be excluded, why can’t we just codify the exclusion of clearly out-of-normal datapoints? Ignoring everything else, a random spike caused by anything transient is not useful information to us, our goals need to be aligned to the trend over time.
Re:A little-known pollution rule keeps the air dirty for mil... by mayneack on Tuesday October 17, 2023 @09:03PM (#37923680)
In an ideal world, I don't think opinionated manipulation of the underlying dataset is a good idea. If you want to avoid outliers dominating your analysis, you should aggregate it in an outlier resistant method like using the median or other percentile based strategy.

If you allow for manipulating the data, especially on such a politically charged subject, the manipulation method itself will get gamed like it seems is happening here.

Re:A little-known pollution rule keeps the air dirty for mil... by omscs99 on Monday October 16, 2023 @12:30PM (#37902271)
> We can’t regulate acts of nature

How can you be so sure? What about controlled burns?

Re:A little-known pollution rule keeps the air dirty for mil... by lucideer on Monday October 16, 2023 @01:09PM (#37902947)
> identified as non-human-caused pollution

The issue highlighted in the article is that human-caused pollution is being misclassified as non-human-caused pollution. Nothing more to it.