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Re:Multi-modal prompt injection image attacks against GPT-4V by simonw on Saturday October 14, 2023 @11:56AM (#37881504)
Anyone who can build an API to an LLM that was provably secure against prompt injection would have a license to print money right now.

I don't think the lack of a solution is because it's too expensive. It's because we don't know how to do it yet.

Re:Multi-modal prompt injection image attacks against GPT-4V by aleph_minus_one on Saturday October 14, 2023 @12:31PM (#37881857)
> Anyone who can build an API to an LLM that was provably secure against prompt injection would have a license to print money right now.

Well, if you could create software that is provably secure against at least a large class of cyberattacks, you could also make quite some money, since I know that at least the finance industry would be willing to pay a lot of money for it (source: in the past, I had an opportunity to talk someone who is very knowledgable about software in the finance sector, and I asked him some questions about exactly this topic).

Thus: we have not solved the "cyberinjection" problem for completely conventional software for decades. So I don't believe that we suddenly have the capabilities to solve this problem for LLMs.

But: As I pointed out, people have come up with ideas that make cyberattacks much harder. Here, I can imagine that their ideas could be used to make prompt injections a lot more complicated.

Additionally, we know from decades of experience that making insecure software secure is nigh impossible. Instead, one has to architect around security properties from beginning. The same does, in my opinion, also hold for LLMs and prompt injection.

Re:Multi-modal prompt injection image attacks against GPT-4V by PeterisP on Saturday October 14, 2023 @04:26PM (#37883965)
Despite paying it a lot of lip service, in practice companies demonstrate that they don't really care about security that much, so I don't think that resistance to prompt injection is the main blocker for any products right now; if some product was very useful but had issues with prompt injection, then people would complain a lot about it while still using it and paying for it; and security (much less the even more niche requirement of provable security) would only be a differentiator among multiple competitors providing a comparable product, not a barrier for selling the product in the first place.
Re:Multi-modal prompt injection image attacks against GPT-4V by simonw on Saturday October 14, 2023 @04:59PM (#37884227)
I think prompt injection is the main reason there's been buzz about the idea of autonomous agents and digital personal assistants for months but no one has released a convincing product yet.

Here's an example of an agents company that pivoted partly because they couldn't figure out how to secure them: https://twitter.com/zachtratar/status/1694024240880861571