Re:In Defense of Electricity Markets
by cyberax on Thursday October 12, 2023 @03:33PM
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> I've read several studies that say that you're wrong.
Well? Where's the plan then? The ones I've seen require taking a very stiff dose of crack and meth to make them believable.
> The reason storage hasn't been yet been addressed much is simply that the demand is not there yet.
Well, yeah. Europe has no capacity market, so cheap low-quality solar/wind is a good way to get return on investments. And wintertime generation is supported by fossil fuels that are still too cheap.
> But as one example, you can produce biogas and use the existing gas infrastructure.
"Biogas" can support only a tiny amount of consumption. Power-to-gas (methane produced from water and captured CO2) is an option, but the round-trip efficiency is poor and costs are too high.
Well? Where's the plan then? The ones I've seen require taking a very stiff dose of crack and meth to make them believable.
> The reason storage hasn't been yet been addressed much is simply that the demand is not there yet.
Well, yeah. Europe has no capacity market, so cheap low-quality solar/wind is a good way to get return on investments. And wintertime generation is supported by fossil fuels that are still too cheap.
> But as one example, you can produce biogas and use the existing gas infrastructure.
"Biogas" can support only a tiny amount of consumption. Power-to-gas (methane produced from water and captured CO2) is an option, but the round-trip efficiency is poor and costs are too high.