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Re:Google Is Going to Court for the First Time over Alleged ... by nostromo on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @05:53PM (#37850727)
I'm reminded of the story in 2019 when Google researched pay discrepancies internally and found it was actually underpaying more men than women for doing similar jobs:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/04/google-found-its-underpaying...

Re:Google Is Going to Court for the First Time over Alleged ... by bsimpson on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:13PM (#37850980)
Underleveling and barriers to promotion are rife at Google.

I wonder what doors get opened if someone successfully sues for being underleveled.

Re:Google Is Going to Court for the First Time over Alleged ... by GreedClarifies on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:18PM (#37851037)
Under leveling compared to what?
Re:Google Is Going to Court for the First Time over Alleged ... by throw3823423 on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:40PM (#37851284)
It's a common problem in many large companies that have significant barriers to handing out promotions, like google's need to work on promotion packets, and passing past review processes. Often you will find that output and level have little to do with each other, including within a team.

Where I am working, my lowest level teammate is clearly among the most competent by most standards. The one person I'd delegate a task to and expect it to not just get marked as done, but actually get done. I have coworkers in the team multiple levels higher that might produce basically nothing in any 2 week sprint, and it's not because they are spending time in meetings and coordination: They just have minimal productivity. But getting rid of the worst is a major hassle, and the middling ones aren't worth getting a PIP. Other teams are in better positions to ask for uplevels, because they do more important things. Therefore, the only sensible approaches are to either take it very easy, lowering the performance curve, or changing teams/jobs to places where one can be upleveled properly.

It's not as if making it easy to fire and promote is a panacea: I've seen managers laying off their best workers because they were politically threatening, and teams getting little done that had everyone marked as a staff engineers. Ultimately performance is hard, and being bad at it, like keeping people underleveled for years, makes the organization degrade. Top paying companies like Google aren't immune.

Re:Google Is Going to Court for the First Time over Alleged ... by GreedClarifies on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:55PM (#37851422)
Of course they have those barriers.

The incentive for managers is to promote.

Perhaps if managers had budgets of dollars instead of budgets of headcount then the imbalance wouldn't be as large, but AFAIK companies do not do that except at very high levels.

Re:Google Is Going to Court for the First Time over Alleged ... by frankreyes on Thursday October 12, 2023 @03:28AM (#37854424)
Having a dollar budget would make the imbalance worse unless ideally they don't get away with moral hazard. The issue is usually having managers taking all the benefits and none of the risk, and that's bad.
Re:Google Is Going to Court for the First Time over Alleged ... by jonny_eh on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:23PM (#37851101)
Fellow employees who do similar work at similar levels of quality.
Re:Google Is Going to Court for the First Time over Alleged ... by helloooooooo on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:31PM (#37851180)
Qualitative measures are not quantifiable. Good luck in court.
Re:Google Is Going to Court for the First Time over Alleged ... by slavboj on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @06:46PM (#37851333)
It's not much of a caricature to say American courts discovered numbers circa the 1940s (cf Learned Hand's introduction of the concept in antritrust and negligence cases); before that they did just fine.