If you can't give me an example, I'm going to continue to assume it can't learn a grammar. It isn't hard to come up with a simple (useless) grammar. Why not prove your assertation?

@roflyear

I am totally fine with you assuming whatever you want to assume.

But I wouldn't mind you giving me an example of how you failed to teach it a grammar!

It just doesn't seem to me like you're trying to have a good faith discussion.

I asked it to learn this basic grammar (then clarified when it made mistakes, and eventually got it to agree to a grammar like this): Let’s make a basic grammar. The things between brackets will be the set in our grammar. Our terminals are: [1, “, 2, X], all sets of strings end with the symbol: [Q], Our rules are: no terminals may repeat. When you have a terminal followed by another distinct terminal, the only thing that can come next is the repeat of those two terminals, and the string must immediately end. An example is: [1”1”Q]. There is no symbol for the start of strings.

After making a ton of mistakes and agreeing, it was very easy to trip it up. I said: "Great, let's only talk in this grammar from now on. When I give you a valid string, you give me the output. When the string is invalid, you say "Invalid" "

Then I did a bunch of invalid inputs (some of which it gave me garbage outputs), and eventually it got stuck saying "Invalid" to whatever I told it (just started to repeat that output, like LLMs do).

Ok, that's why I asked you to give an example. I've tried a similar thing as well, and that does indeed not work very well. The reason is that you are actually asking it to compute something! And it is not very good at computing, no matter how much you explain the computation to it. But again, that's not very different from many humans. And for my use cases, this is also not much of a problem, because if I know how to compute something (and I know how to parse grammars), then I don't need to ask the AI, I can just solve it directly.

So, instead of giving it that description, give it a few examples of correct use of the grammar, see where it makes mistakes, and then add more examples / a description that would rule out these mistakes. It is really good at generalising from a few examples to the general case.

You can always make up excuses for things, this is a simple grammar and it can't learn it.

A person can be taught to understand this grammar - the machine lacks understanding.

@roflyear

I am not making excuses, I am explaining to you why it cannot do what you want it to do. No, it doesn't understand a grammar you give it in this form. But you can give it in a different form more suitable to its nature, and then it does understand.

But you don't seem to understand my point, yet I am not arguing you are not intelligent. You just don't understand certain things.

Then we demonstrated it lacks the capability of general understanding.