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Re:"Useless syntax sugar": Numbered block parameters in Ruby by dchftcs on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @09:52AM (#37844400)
I guess the more useful and original one is RTFA, and TFA is a derivative that gets used sometimes.
Re:"Useless syntax sugar": Numbered block parameters in Ruby by michaelteter on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:30AM (#37844866)
And RTFM predates that one. Read the f manual is a common reply to basic questions about tools and commands in Linux.
Re:"Useless syntax sugar": Numbered block parameters in Ruby by johndunne on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:18AM (#37844728)
That makes more sense, RTFA.
Re:"Useless syntax sugar": Numbered block parameters in Ruby by the_af on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @11:28AM (#37845728)
RTFA and TFA are not equivalent! One is a verb, "you should RTFA, it answers your question!" while the other is a noun, "TFA mentions this syntax is useful because [...]".

In any case, I made the mistake of assuming everyone is currently familiar with the idiom just because it was widespread when I joined HN.

I suppose at one point it'll be a mistake to assume everyone knows what ROTFL or LOL or IMO mean, just because they used to be widespread internet culture at one point.

Re:"Useless syntax sugar": Numbered block parameters in Ruby by dchftcs on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @01:56PM (#37847909)
I said "derivative", not equivalent.

Also, TFA used singularly is different from just saying "the article", e.g. when you want to imply RTFA. Within your comment you could see the "F" part was quite out of nowhere and can be considered rude.

Re:"Useless syntax sugar": Numbered block parameters in Ruby by the_af on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @02:14PM (#37848161)
> Within your comment you could see the "F" part was quite out of nowhere and can be considered rude.

Not if you see actual usage: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Context matters, and people here usually interpret it as "The Fine Article", and it was indeed written in that sense. It's supposed to be a shortcut (not rude like RTFM, which does have a meaning of impatience because it's directed at people perceived as too lazy to search the docs).

Anyway, a shortcut that requires this much explanation is a failed shortcut, and I apologize for that. It's sometimes hard for me to realize that what used to be a really common idiom that needed no explanations can quickly become something unfamiliar to new readers. Just in case, I won't use it again.

Re:"Useless syntax sugar": Numbered block parameters in Ruby by cout on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @05:23PM (#37850424)
I miss being able to say "re" (re-hi or re-hello) instead of WB (welcome back).