Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to delay electrification

Re:Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to d... by tcfhgj on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @10:30PM (#37840236)

Summer to winter isn't a real storage case.

If you need more energy in the winter, you build more wind power, not PV to store it an entire year.

And episodes of little wind+sun have a duration of less than a month.

And there are more storage use cases, e.g. short term grid stabilization (<1 second).

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Re:Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to d... by rocqua on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @01:21AM (#37841188)

You cannot reasonably dimension wind power to serve the winter heating needs of northern Europe. Once you get halfway there you're summer surpluses get so huge, inefficient seasonal storage becomes a much better solution.

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Re:Oil sector is lobbying for inefficient hydrogen cars to d... by tcfhgj on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @07:04AM (#37843003)

Interestingly, others worry that the seasonal phenomenon of wind power is too large:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/wind-pattern...

Perhaps southern Europe will counteract as well: less need in the winter and energy required for increased cooling with heat pumps in the summer

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