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Re:Google mitigated the largest DDoS attack to date, peaking... by tsimionescu on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @10:09AM (#37832330)
It's not very hard to send packets with a fake source IP, especially if you don't care about the reply.
Re:Google mitigated the largest DDoS attack to date, peaking... by ndriscoll on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @10:47AM (#37832799)
Seems easy enough to require (i.e. regulate) end-customer ISPs to drop any traffic with a source IP that isn't assigned to the modem it's coming from. This would at least prevent spoofing from e.g. compromised residential IoT devices. Are they not already doing that filtering? Is there any legitimate use-case to allow that kind of traffic?
Re:Google mitigated the largest DDoS attack to date, peaking... by gene91 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @11:35AM (#37833464)
Someone has to go and add the filtering. Nowadays (or maybe since ten years ago) most ISPs have the filter, but not the last 1% (or maybe 0.01%).
Re:Google mitigated the largest DDoS attack to date, peaking... by codedokode on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:00PM (#37835317)
The routers can send back a confirmation token to confirm the origin address.
Re:Google mitigated the largest DDoS attack to date, peaking... by tsimionescu on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @07:07AM (#37843031)
First of all, there is no way this works reliably for anything but the first hop. There is no way for a router to send a packet to you in a way where you can reply to that router unless you are connected directly to it, unless all ISP routers start being assigned public IP addresses. Additionally, there are normally many paths between you and your attacker, and there is no guarantee that packets you send will take the same path as the packets you were receiving. Especially as the routing rules get modified by your successful blocking requests.

That also means that every router now has to maintain a connection table to keep track of all of the pending confirmations, and to periodically check that table for expirations so it can clean it up. Maybe not that bad for a local router, but this is completely unworkable for routers handling larger parts of the internet.

And of course, anyone who has a tap into that level can trivially spoof all of the correct replies so it's still not a secure mechanism.