Re:A full-time contract iPhone developer costs $5,000/week
by sethg on Wednesday November 26, 2008 @11:31PM
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Based on previous "how do I compute what I'm worth as a consultant" discussions on forums like this, it seems to me that $125/week as a contractor is equivalent to roughly $100K/year as a salaried employee. That's not unreasonable considering (a) Cocoa developers are presumably in scarcer supply than, say, Java developers, and (b) the price is for "developers I know and trust", i.e., not folks who have just emerged from a "Teach Yourself To Be A Dummy In 21 Days" programming class.
Re:A full-time contract iPhone developer costs $5,000/week
by auston on Thursday November 27, 2008 @12:16AM
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I can't believe the author didn't suggest that you learn Obj-C yourself!?
He works for a publisher of books that help you learn by yourself and he says...
"If you believe in your iPhone application idea passionately, maybe, just maybe there is someone out there who will share your passion and that you can motivate to work under different terms than the going contract rate."
Re:A full-time contract iPhone developer costs $5,000/week
by Tichy on Thursday November 27, 2008 @10:18AM
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Not expecting any replies, really, but why not? The rate doesn't seem to be that far out there (compared to Java contracting which is always available).
I could also set up contact with an iPhone developer in China who might accept lower rates.
Re:A full-time contract iPhone developer costs $5,000/week
by pkaler on Wednesday November 26, 2008 @11:23PM
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I charge about that much. I've had to turn away a lot of smaller projects because I'm way overburdened at the moment.
It's amazing how coders don't actually know C anymore. It seems like a rare skill these days. I also have a ton of embedded development experience (Sony PSP, PS3, XBox 360) that transfers well.
I teach an iPhone Game Design course at the local polytechnic institute that has been good for marketing. And I bounce between 1st and 2nd when you Google "vancouver iphone developer".
I bet I could draw in more work if I advertised on CraigsList and LinkedIn.
Re:A full-time contract iPhone developer costs $5,000/week
by pkaler on Thursday November 27, 2008 @02:42PM
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Most of my clients come from shaking the right hands. I get referrals from people I know and people I meet at events.
Hackers underestimate the importance of dressing fashionably, speaking eloquently, and writing well. All of these soft skills ease the pain, stress, and pressure from the client's perspective. This is what the client is paying for: to feel better.
I live in Vancouver.
I usually do projects for Fortune 500 type companies. I'll work on projects for friends that I personally know too.
Re:A full-time contract iPhone developer costs $5,000/week
by ardit33 on Wednesday November 26, 2008 @08:46PM
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it is really not that much. You should not under-charge. Ask for 30% returns, if somebody comes at you with less than $125-$150/hr rate.
Remember, you are doing hard work, and price it accordingly, and what to the market bears.
Engineers tend underestimate they value of their work. Try to find a good lawyer for less than $600/hr.
Re:A full-time contract iPhone developer costs $5,000/week
by patio11 on Wednesday November 26, 2008 @09:32PM
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30% returns sounds like a "You give me large amounts of labor at below-market prices today and in return I give you equity!" This sounds like a fairly decent arrangement for an engineer straight out of college who wants to make a go of a startup and, uh, stupid for a professional with an in-demand skill in a sellers' market.
You think their lawyer is getting paid $20 an hour with the remainder to come as a percentage of revenues assuming Marketing does their jobs right? (That's always the stickler with engineers getting equity: you might think you are contributing the most important piece of the puzzle, but really, your contribution can and will be squandered if everybody else doesn't perform at or above your level. There are many, many startups who had top-flight engineers married with "We'll sell pet food on the Internet and make a fortune!"-esque business models.)
Re:A full-time contract iPhone developer costs $5,000/week
by tlrobinson on Thursday November 27, 2008 @01:26AM
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I realize this was a joke, but 10 years experience developing Cocoa applications on Mac OS X (and previously Nextstep) is essentially the same. Slightly different UI classes, but otherwise mostly the same.
And yes, there are people with 10 year experience with this stuff (Wil Shipley comes to mind)
He works for a publisher of books that help you learn by yourself and he says...
"If you believe in your iPhone application idea passionately, maybe, just maybe there is someone out there who will share your passion and that you can motivate to work under different terms than the going contract rate."
Someone == YOU! Learn iPhone dev yourself!
oh wait, you were serious?
I could also set up contact with an iPhone developer in China who might accept lower rates.
What are good places to find iPhone contracts?
It's amazing how coders don't actually know C anymore. It seems like a rare skill these days. I also have a ton of embedded development experience (Sony PSP, PS3, XBox 360) that transfers well.
I teach an iPhone Game Design course at the local polytechnic institute that has been good for marketing. And I bounce between 1st and 2nd when you Google "vancouver iphone developer".
I bet I could draw in more work if I advertised on CraigsList and LinkedIn.
Hackers underestimate the importance of dressing fashionably, speaking eloquently, and writing well. All of these soft skills ease the pain, stress, and pressure from the client's perspective. This is what the client is paying for: to feel better.
I live in Vancouver.
I usually do projects for Fortune 500 type companies. I'll work on projects for friends that I personally know too.
and secondly my "where do you live" question was BEFORE he had explicitly mentioned it.. but either way ..
Remember, you are doing hard work, and price it accordingly, and what to the market bears. Engineers tend underestimate they value of their work. Try to find a good lawyer for less than $600/hr.
You think their lawyer is getting paid $20 an hour with the remainder to come as a percentage of revenues assuming Marketing does their jobs right? (That's always the stickler with engineers getting equity: you might think you are contributing the most important piece of the puzzle, but really, your contribution can and will be squandered if everybody else doesn't perform at or above your level. There are many, many startups who had top-flight engineers married with "We'll sell pet food on the Internet and make a fortune!"-esque business models.)
And yes, there are people with 10 year experience with this stuff (Wil Shipley comes to mind)