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Re:Organization Probably Doesn't Want to Improve Things by Brystephor on Sunday October 08, 2023 @12:35PM (#37811960)
Home rates are closer to 8%. The redfin calculator puts a $490k home near me at just under $3200/mo with 20% down.

So over $36k a year. I'm in Washington, so no income tax. Let's say $100k income, single person. No pre tax deductions and you'll be bringing home $6200/mo. So over 50% of your take home goes to mortgage alone.

In your example, your home prices were roughly 3x-4x your annual income. Compared to your example of prices being 5x.

Re:Organization Probably Doesn't Want to Improve Things by Retric on Sunday October 08, 2023 @12:52PM (#37812164)
Why on earth would a single person buy a 490k house? Everyone I know either had roommates, an inheritance, or make enough it’s a trivial expense.

Also don’t forget about the home mortgage tax deduction, that plus inflation really impacts the cost of home ownership.

Re:Organization Probably Doesn't Want to Improve Things by johnnyanmac on Sunday October 08, 2023 @07:41PM (#37815431)
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Re:Organization Probably Doesn't Want to Improve Things by Retric on Sunday October 08, 2023 @09:53PM (#37816135)
70 miles from the downtown of a major city is still generally considered part of that city’s metropolitan area and prices reflect that. Still though getting a 1br condo in LA for 150-300k is more reflective of what it actually costs to get an affordable place as a single person in that area. Yes you have condo fees, but maintain a house comes with serious costs as well.

That’s the thing, if it’s a trivial expense then who cares, but when there’s more affordable options it’s hard to imagine why stretching yourself buying a house at that price would be a good idea.

255k for a 1,952 square foot place in Harrisonburg, VA 22802 is far more representative of most of the US’s housing prices. It’s a modest 50k population university town 130 miles from DC so not in the middle of nowhere but still cheap. https://www.redfin.com/VA/Harrisonburg/1036-Meadowlark-Dr-22... Plenty of places listed for less than that or far more, but in general there’s still a lot of options under 300k.

Re:Organization Probably Doesn't Want to Improve Things by johnnyanmac on Monday October 09, 2023 @12:27AM (#37816929)
>getting a 1br condo in LA for 150-300k is more reflective of what it actually costs to get an affordable place as a single person in that area.

A house is a multi decade investment. Why would I buy a single shack if I want to perhaps have a family one day? Especially in this market? I don't want to own a house for the sake of ownership.

And yes, like anything else in life, you have super cheap deals and super expensive. I was using a very rough median pricing. Especially since the lowest cost houses likely mean you need to do the most work on it. I'm not a carpenter nor a house flipper, so that's not of interest to me (and I imagine many other people in tech).

Median pricing downtown is 1m for 2 Bed/bath. I feel the cost going down to 40-50% for going beyond what is considered LA county (which is huge, but not a 70 mile radius) seems to make sense. I suppose you can keep looking northeast towards Death Valley and find something at 200-300k, but you're legitimately getting towards food desert[1] area at that point. The high desert area is already pretty rural as is, unless you are a true hermit (or a stargazer) I can't imagine going further out and making it a 20+ mile drive to any and everything.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

Re:Organization Probably Doesn't Want to Improve Things by Retric on Monday October 09, 2023 @04:08AM (#37818148)
That phrase only refers to the distance from you to a grocery store. So, no you don’t need to enter food desert territory when you buy a house in one of the many smaller CA cities/towns.

Anyway, buying a house can be an investment but living in a larger one than you need is wasting a productive asset. If you have a 4 bedroom house you can rent out for 4k/month then living in it is costing you 4k/month the same way renting a place for 4k would be. There’s nothing inherently wrong with buying an investment house, but you shouldn’t be out anywhere close to the full monthly cost.

Re:Organization Probably Doesn't Want to Improve Things by johnnyanmac on Monday October 09, 2023 @05:41AM (#37818660)
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Re:Organization Probably Doesn't Want to Improve Things by Retric on Monday October 09, 2023 @10:44AM (#37820962)
> I don’t really consider an extra room a waste.

By waste I simply mean it’s consumptive. It’s obvious when you’re spending well above the norm on rent, but it doesn’t slap you in the face in the same way when buying a larger house.