Re:Ask HN: Does your microwave interfere with Bluetooth? Min...
by itishappy on Thursday October 05, 2023 @05:39PM
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> Is there some fractional-wavelength propagation?
"Propagation" is probably not the right word, but fractional wavelengths can "leak" some amount of field.
Re:Ask HN: Does your microwave interfere with Bluetooth? Min...
by londons_explore on Thursday October 05, 2023 @11:03PM
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Notably, that field is powerful enough that microwave doors need to be about an inch thick. The rest of the inch is just empty space and a sheet of plastic to stop you putting your fingers into the evanescent field.
Unfortunately there were a few microwaves sold recently in Europe which forgot that design element, and if you pointed at food while cooking it, you would cook your fingers too.
Re:Ask HN: Does your microwave interfere with Bluetooth? Min...
by kiltedpanda on Thursday October 05, 2023 @06:38PM
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You're right. The rule of thumb for EMC engineers is to bond joints at no further than wavelength/10 where the wavelength corresponds to the highest frequency that you wish to maintain good shielding effectiveness. Some MIL projects use wavelength/100.
Re:Ask HN: Does your microwave interfere with Bluetooth? Min...
by londons_explore on Thursday October 05, 2023 @10:58PM
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But the gap around the door might only be millimeters wide, but it is 30cm or more long.
It is "both* dimensions that must be a long way below the wavelength to keep microwaves in.
Instead the door seal uses a technique called a quarter wave choke. It relies on reflecting back any microwaves wanting to escape, and by making incoming and reflected waves perfectly cancel, no power is transmitted.
As OP said, even a small amount of soup dripped onto the seal and your microwaves will all start escaping.
(I'm obviously not an electrical engineer, given this is 10x stuff) If we're talking a 2.45 GHz microwave signal, that's a 12.2 cm wavelength.
But I thought for shielding you only needed to have gaps of <wavelength to null emissions.
Is there some fractional-wavelength propagation, or is my understanding of EM shielding off-base? How are microwaves noisy? E.g. https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/269672/does-a-fa...