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Re:OpenAI's justification for why training data is fair use,... by pests on Thursday October 05, 2023 @02:09PM (#37781947)
This reminds me of the Google Books lawsuit back in the 2010s. Google didn't ask permission from every copyright holder but was still allowed to scan books due to fair use.
Re:OpenAI's justification for why training data is fair use,... by ang_cire on Thursday October 05, 2023 @02:39PM (#37782344)
The big difference is that Google legally obtained the copies of the books they scanned. OpenAI did not. Publicly-accessible != legal to download/ copy.

The copyright infringement in Google's case was not illegally obtaining the original work, it was about the snippets they provided.

In OpenAI's case, it is also about the illegal obtainment (downloading) of the original work, which they admit to in their brief, but argue shouldn't be illegal if they intend only to transform it. That element was not present in AGI v Google.

Re:OpenAI's justification for why training data is fair use,... by kelseyfrog on Thursday October 05, 2023 @02:31PM (#37782238)
This very lawsuit is referenced in OpenAI's memo as precedent

> Perhaps the most compelling case on point is Authors Guild v. Google. There, search engine Google digitally scanned “tens of millions of books” without their authors’ permission for inclusion in a searchable digital database.