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Re:Say (an encrypted) hello to a more private internet by charleyablaze on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @10:30AM (#37752474)
Previous discussion from Cloudflare's launch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37703885
Re:Say (an encrypted) hello to a more private internet by tjrgergw on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @12:40PM (#37754247)
ELI5 please?
Re:Say (an encrypted) hello to a more private internet by charleyablaze on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @12:51PM (#37754414)
This prevents governments, ISPs, etc from identifying which websites people are visiting and censoring their connections. Firefox are enabling it by default.
Re:Say (an encrypted) hello to a more private internet by tjrgergw on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @12:56PM (#37754490)
Right because even with HTTPS, it's possible to know the domain you're accessing, even though you can't tell high individual urls you are accessing. Interesting.
Re:Say (an encrypted) hello to a more private internet by taway1237 on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @01:31PM (#37754975)
It's - technically - a problem with TLS, not HTTPS. TLS requires the server to pick a key way before user sends first encrypted bytes (like a HTTP host header). It's not a problem when every HTTPS server has another IP, but that internet is gone. So if there are two domains with different TLS certificated hosted on a single IP:port, the webserver has to guess which key to use (usually one is the default).

To fix this, SNI extension to TLS was introduced. Now TLS client will optionally send a plaintext domain name it tries to connect to, and the webserver picks a key for that domain. Which is nice but... now the client is leaking their domain name. Encrypted hello in TLS finally fixes this problem.

Re:Say (an encrypted) hello to a more private internet by morjom on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @01:48PM (#37755211)
Next up, more DNSSEC adoption?
Re:Say (an encrypted) hello to a more private internet by hulitu on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:36AM (#37761602)
"So the problem now is that there are too many ISPs selling user data, that's why in the future we only need one or two."

Sincerely, the CIA

Re:Say (an encrypted) hello to a more private internet by dfindley on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @09:16AM (#37764640)
Can the ISP still see the IP address? And then can’t they reverse DNS lookup possible domain names?
Re:Say (an encrypted) hello to a more private internet by hulitu on Thursday October 05, 2023 @02:35PM (#37782294)
No. /s Even Mozilla's telemetry is encrypted, so private.