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Re:Introduction to the evidential presumption that computers... by envsubst on Sunday October 01, 2023 @11:12AM (#37726678)
> they doubled down because they lack any sense of morality.

I don't believe you know what their internal mental states are.

Re:Introduction to the evidential presumption that computers... by iudqnolq on Sunday October 01, 2023 @03:09PM (#37729399)
We can and do reasonably infer mental states from actions.

If someone knows they are sending innocent people to prison, benefits from doing so, and continues doing so we can reasonably infer they lack morality.

Re:Introduction to the evidential presumption that computers... by atoav on Monday October 02, 2023 @04:18PM (#37743847)
Most internal mental states that have any impact on the actions of an individual are leaky. That is because they affect actual real world actions.

So given a set of actions you can infer a likely set of mental states — this is also done in the court room. Can you always infer with 100% accuracy and with every colorful detail fleshed out? No. Do you typically need to? No.

Re:Introduction to the evidential presumption that computers... by envsubst on Monday October 02, 2023 @11:48PM (#37747747)
> this is also done in the court room.

And we have we gone through that process to look at the issue from all sides and hear arguments from all parties? No.

You don't need to know intent to fire or punish someone anyway. In this case we can dismiss people for improper action, without demeaning them personally.

Re:Introduction to the evidential presumption that computers... by atoav on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @04:44AM (#37749377)
If you read my post again you will notice I didn't say anything about the situation at hand. I just refuted your general statement that one cannot reason about mental states from the visible actions.

I agree that one should be cautious with early accusations or hopping on trains just because they are rolling.

Re:Introduction to the evidential presumption that computers... by envsubst on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @10:52AM (#37752754)
And if you read what I said, before your comment, you'll see its about this particular situation.
Re:Introduction to the evidential presumption that computers... by atoav on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @02:14AM (#37761456)
Yeah, but my comment doesn't has to be. I am allowed to go into your direction, generalize your statement or put it into a different environment and examine it. How else should people discuss things?