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Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by ekianjo on Sunday October 01, 2023 @02:27AM (#37723283)
> Can’t complain about less kids

People had nothing after ww2 yet had a lot more kids. We are way richer now in comparison so the cost of kids is really a bad argument to make.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by nly on Sunday October 01, 2023 @02:34AM (#37723321)
After ww2 lots more women didn't work and so could provide childcare.

The problem today is a 2 full-time salaried income is required to be able to afford a decent standard of living for a family, whereas even as late as the 80s it was feasibly to raise a family on a single median income.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by Earw0rm on Sunday October 01, 2023 @03:21AM (#37723553)
"decent standard of living" has changed a bit since WW2 also.

Granted, it'd be hard on a single median income today, but if you're making two, three times median - in your 20s - it should be doable. And that's everyone on a six figure tech salary, to start off with.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by pmg102 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @01:14PM (#37728096)
Are you genuinely arguing that people in 2023 are poorer than they were in 1950? This would be astonishing if true wouldn't it? Hasn't GDP tripled or something since then?

I think it's more likely to be expectation inflation. People in 2023 just wouldn't be satisfied to live the life people were satisfied to live in 1950.

A thought experiment could be: - There are people that earn 100kpa and people that earn 50kpa - Both kinds of people think they "need two incomes to live these days" - Obviously the 100kpa people could ditch a whole income and live at the level of the two 50kpa people -- but they wouldn't choose to, they'd rather have the lifestyle of a 200kpa household

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by jbombadil on Monday October 02, 2023 @01:04AM (#37734202)
Yes. About 4 times poorer. (Scoping to the domain of “buying a house” which is a huge driving factor in having children)

> Median home prices increased 121% nationwide since 1960, but median household income only increased 29%.[0]

[0] https://listwithclever.com/research/home-price-v-income-hist... (That’s from where I quoted, but there’s plenty of sources. More available upon request)

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by ekianjo on Monday October 02, 2023 @10:34AM (#37738670)
> Yes. About 4 times poorer.

You don't need to buy a house to be able to live. And no, people are not poorer if you consider all factors. That's a crazy argument to make. No human living in 2023 would want to live with 1950 standards.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by jbombadil on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @03:43PM (#37756594)
> You don’t need to buy a house to be able to live.

Agree.

> No human living in 2023 would want to live by 1950 standards.

Also agree.

But that neither of those things are relevant for the argument.

You don’t need a house to live, but it provides stability, which is a huge part of the decision of having children.