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Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by rayiner on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:03AM (#37722417)
Many of my American friends don’t have kids now pushing 40. I know two Bangladeshis of the same age who have no kids (out of my entire extended family)—and even then they wouldn’t say out loud that was the plan. And my family is quite secular. My dad, who hasn’t stepped foot in a mosque in decades was freaking out when my brother turned 30 without kids.

By contrast, I feel like most American Christians wouldn’t react that negatively to someone in their family declaring they don’t want kids.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by satvikpendem on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:31AM (#37722564)
> By contrast, I feel like most American Christians wouldn’t react that negatively to someone in their family declaring they don’t want kids.

That depends on whom you ask, as those who are as culturally (or actually) religious as your Muslim friends and family would react the same way to someone in their family declaring they don't want kids. In other words, it is likely just you not realizing many American Christians' lived experience, as that is not your own lived experience. I see a similar phenomenon with my Indian family thinking that Americans are more cavalier and distant with their children and that Indians treat them better, when in reality they simply don't know the lives of many other Americans.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by rayiner on Sunday October 01, 2023 @08:25AM (#37725270)
> I see a similar phenomenon with my Indian family thinking that Americans are more cavalier and distant with their children and that Indians treat them better

My Bangladeshi parents said something similar: “Americans don’t love their kids.” And while that characterization isn’t quite true, I’m married into an American family, and the stereotype does have a factual underpinning. That’s how the manifestations of individualism—particularly among WASPs—is perceived by south Asians.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by catlover76 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:27AM (#37722540)
> My dad, who hasn’t stepped foot in a mosque in decades was freaking out when my brother turned 30 without kids.

Exactly, it's a cultural thing, not a religious one. See, for example, how a lot of Hindu Indian parents would react similarly.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by rayiner on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:04PM (#37727267)
There’s no clear distinction between religion and culture. Both my parents are antagonistic to organized religion (because secularism is a class marker in Bangladesh) but they don’t eat pork. Their moral axioms are rooted in Islam, even if they don’t recognize it as such.

The same is true for secular Americans. As an outsider, it’s quite obviously an outgrowth of mainline Protestant Christianity.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by catlover76 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @12:26PM (#37727561)
> There’s no clear distinction between religion and culture.

While too many religious people let their cultural and other beliefs/values contaminate their religious practice, it is still pretty simple to draw a line, and it's silly to try to infer something about a religious group based on the attitudes of your irreligious parents.

As a couple of us have pointed out, the same attitudes are exhibited by non-Muslim South Asians, so why are you still asserting their views reflect some vestige of their ancestral religion as opposed to the culture they come from?

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by rayiner on Sunday October 01, 2023 @01:30PM (#37728268)
I’m talking about the other direction: religion influencing people’s culture. Religion and culture are deeply intertwined in a bi-directional exchange.

Asia offers a good example of how religion makes a difference. The whole area has been the subject of extensive population control efforts. But the Muslim fertility rate in India is markedly higher than the Hindu rate. And the fertility rate for Indian Buddhists is much lower than either, and closer to East Asian countries with a strong Buddhist tradition.

Re:Don't worry about global population collapse by selimthegrim on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @01:36PM (#37755058)
>But the Muslim fertility rate in India is markedly higher than the Hindu rate.

Citation needed, they've been converging for a while now.