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Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by vlovich123 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @02:50PM (#37718520)
> You should be worried about a government that wants to record every thing you do eight hours a day when you are at work.

I am, but actually the government is under many more legal constraints to do so than a private party. That’s why the government does all these end runs to buy data off the commercial data streams. Cut off those private data streams and the ability for government to do this gets significantly reduced.

Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by scarface_74 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @03:06PM (#37718671)
You believe that the government actually follows the law and that judges don’t just rubber stamp requests?
Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by nuancebydefault on Saturday September 30, 2023 @04:21PM (#37719367)
You are questioning the benefits of having a government? I would say, {1} be happy that you have one and {2} be happy that yours is not among the worst. I think a fully free unregulated market would end up horribly for 99 percent of people.
Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by scarface_74 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @04:45PM (#37719610)
I’m questioning the benefits of not having an unlimited government. Who exactly is Google - an adtech company “harming”? You have the agency to not use Google as does everyone else.
Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by nuancebydefault on Saturday September 30, 2023 @05:03PM (#37719789)
I get what you are saying and the reasoning. I agree to disagree.
Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by vlovich123 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @04:46PM (#37719626)
By no means is it perfect. Never claimed that. But generally you find that mass egregious bad practices by the government either get stopped or legalized (eg Bush’s NSA tapping into telephony systems directly and spying was quite a scandal). So yes, the government does all sorts of shady shit and have forever and they usually try to keep it as quiet as possible for as long as possible. That has nothing to do with private companies misbehaviors which is what we’re talking about here. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by scarface_74 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @05:00PM (#37719752)
Has the War on Drugs ever been curtailed? Is anyone trying to curtail police power?

And it’s Google an adtech company. How are they infringing on your rights in a way that you can just not use them?

Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by vlovich123 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @05:25PM (#37719981)
> Has the War on Drugs ever been curtailed?

Yes. US enforcement of the drug trade is waaaay more lax than it has been in the past. The last time I remember reading about federal enforcement against state legal weed enterprises was toward’s the end of Bush’s term which is now 13 years ago. Social attitudes have also drastically shifted. Several places have already started decriminalizing magic mushrooms and weed is legal in most states and it’s more a question of when it will stop being illegal federally.

> Is anyone trying to curtail police power?

Yes. There was the whole defund the police movement, there’s constantly lawsuits about the police, there’s been actual legitimate prosecutions (albeit rare) against police (which is a step up from it never happening ever even if laughably insufficient given the amount of outrage that needed to be generated). Just because you may not be paying attention doesn’t mean stuff doesn’t change.

> How are they infringing on your rights in a way that you can just not use them?

I’d recommend brushing up on economics textbooks and how monopolies disrupt the market. Specifically, there are the two most common ways:

1. Lower prices when a real competitor pops up that runs more efficiently to drive them out of the market, raise prices back up once they’re gone.

Lots of examples like this, not sure about Google itself. Eg look at what Amazon did to kill diapers.com even though that company was disrupting the market in a profitable way (ie Amazon couldn’t actually compete but instead used their pocketbook and shady business tactics to outmaneuver them and force them into selling themselves to Amazon ).

2. Leverage your majority/monopoly position to retain that position. The government’s position with this case is that having a majority position in the market means they’re able to retain that majority regardless of any external competition.

In all cases, Google is harming me by causing hire prices in the market and inefficiencies in the marketplace. Google is also big enough that this gets magnified by quite a bit and seeps into other areas beyond search.

Also, the “you can just not use them” argument is pretty tired and requires willful blindness. That argument has always been trotted out as monopolies always had “competitors”. That doesn’t alter that large businesses can have lots of negative impact just because of their size.

Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by scarface_74 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @05:36PM (#37720101)
The police are still very much targeting minorities and the justice system still gives harsher sentences to minorities for the same crime.

Police stop minorities in most major cities and profile. As far as weed enforcement by the federal government, as long as it’s the law, it can still be reintroduced. While Trump himself didn’t care to enforce it, his first AG very much wanted to but was stymied by a bipartisan unwillingness to fund it. But selective enforcement is still dangerous.

Who do you think a Desantis administration or a Pence administration would go after?

Google sells nothing of value at any meaningful scale - but ads.

You want to see a “million ad tech companies bloom”?

Yes you have complete agency not to use Google and they don’t even have a monopoly on advertising

Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by vlovich123 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @05:23PM (#37730977)
You win. Your whataboutism argument is completely flawless and there’s no way anyone could have any other valid opinion.
Re:DOJ finally posted that “embarrassing” court doc Google w... by scarface_74 on Sunday October 01, 2023 @05:53PM (#37731262)
It’s not “whataboutism” there is nothing more dangerous than government power where they have unlimited resources and a “monopoly on violence”