A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculations

Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by steve_adams_86 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @11:54AM (#37716669)

I am too. I think Canadians need to treasure their forests and should be seriously concerned by what’s happening. Our current reforestation efforts aren’t enough, and they’re largely driven to support future logging activity, not restore ecology.

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by TheRealPomax on Saturday September 30, 2023 @01:03PM (#37717401)

And yet, if we look at the numbers, wildfires are actually nowhere near as bad as they were in the 90's: https://cwfis.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/data/charts/NFDB_stats_chart.p...

I'd like a ban on people going outside and causing wild fires like we had in 2020 though. That was a good year.

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by lazyasciiart on Saturday September 30, 2023 @01:48PM (#37717895)

Nope - your chart only shows up to 2021. Wildfires are actually much much worse than the 90s.

“This year’s fires have now burned more than double the previous record of 7.1 million hectares torched in 1995” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/23/mapping-the-scale-o...

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by stormbrew on Saturday September 30, 2023 @01:49PM (#37717914)

17.577 million hectares have burned so far this year. If 2023 were on that graph it would be a skyscraper towering over every big fire year in the 80s and 90s.

This year is unprecedented. And it isn't even over yet and the fires are still burning.

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by standardUser on Saturday September 30, 2023 @08:48PM (#37721440)

But what does that say about the long term trend? Is 2023 an anomaly skewing the data, or does the data actually show a trend of increasing wildfires?

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by pvaldes on Saturday September 30, 2023 @01:34PM (#37717755)

If I'm not wrong, Canada had record wildfires in a very curious set of years.

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by alex_duf on Saturday September 30, 2023 @02:18PM (#37718219)

What so you mean by curious?

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by pauldenton on Saturday September 30, 2023 @03:00PM (#37718603)

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66612781 Need to wait and see if there's any charges brought forward for Arson

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by pvaldes on Saturday September 30, 2023 @03:31PM (#37718909)

See it by yourself

https://globalnews.ca/news/8045796/canada-wildfires-yearly-t...

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by pvaldes on Saturday September 30, 2023 @04:45PM (#37719607)

The interesting graphic is the area burnt by year. If we take the years with more than 3 million hectares burnt we have some "specially hot years" falling over yearly average. This set includes:

94-95 Crimean referendum to choose between Russia or Ukraine

98 Russian financial default, start of the Yeltsin demise

Ukrainian presidential elections of 1994, 2004, 2010 and 2014 (but curiously not 2019). Would be specially interesting to check if the wildfires happened after or before the elections.

2013-2014 Euromaidan. Russia anexionates Crimea. Start of the Dombas war.

2017 This is an outlier. The year of Voronenkow saying that Crimean annexation was illegal and fleeing the Duma before to be assasinated. The year of Petya also.

We could probably add 2023 to this list at the end of the year

In the country with the second largest expatriate Ukrainian population. Most probably happened by random (and I'm surely cherry-picking) but still a curious chain of events. I assume that the data shown in this graph is correct (I could be wrong about this).

2020 is also interesting. People at home = no wildfires

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by soared on Saturday September 30, 2023 @10:08PM (#37721876)

Geopolitical events related to Ukraine cause wildfires is what you’re getting at??

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by lukas099 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @04:51PM (#37719659)

91 94 98 03 06 10 12 15 18

3 4 5 3 4 2 3 3

Help me out, what am I missing.

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Re:A Revelation About Trees Is Messing with Climate Calculat... by dendrite9 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @08:00PM (#37721165)

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/wildfire-smoke-from-...

This article about Austailian fires making the recent years' la nina stronger was interesting.

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