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Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by bglazer on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:24AM (#37703841)
Yes, if you put the “reject all”, button behind a “customize cookie settings” click, you’re a bad, anti-social person.
Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by diffeomorphism on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:32AM (#37703972)
Also probably illegal. That part of the law is not yet enforced very much, but there have been a few rulings.
Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by starbugs on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:39AM (#37704065)
The question always is whether there's a negative consequence outweighing the "positive" incentive of trying to increase favorable consent decisions by using dark patterns.

I had the pleasure to learn a lot about this while working in the higher levels of some german company with a somewhat questionable track record.

Here's what you can do (only applies to Germany, but might be similar elsewhere):

Complain to the data protection authority of your local state in writing. These complaints will be followed up by the authority and if enough of them accumulate, the company will have a bad time and the aforementioned incentive equation will be bent towards the end that favors user privacy.

Don't write angry emails. Nobody cares and you waste time.

Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by dcminter on Saturday September 30, 2023 @12:51PM (#37717261)
> Also probably illegal.

Pretty clearly so. It seems weird to me that so many companies put up a cookie banner in order to avoid breaking the law, and then break the law in order to make it less effective. I suppose the win here is that if the (fairly toothless) regulators notice you can say "oh we thought this was enough" and then tweak it. But in that case why not just have no banner at all, and wait until they notice in the first place?

Just as daft as the extra-US sites that choose to show no content to EU geolocated origins instead of complying with the law. Which is... also illegal under the letter of the law, so why not just ignore the law. Presumably you're probably out of the jurisdiction anyway if you're bothering to do this.

Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by dcminter on Saturday September 30, 2023 @05:59PM (#37720317)
> extra-US

extra-EU I mean.

Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by hansvm on Monday October 02, 2023 @04:00PM (#37743657)
> Just as daft as the extra-US sites that choose to show no content to EU geolocated origins instead of complying with the law. Which is... also illegal under the letter of the law

Since when? The GDPR explicitly only applies if you offer your shit to EU subjects or monitor EU subject behavior while they're in the EU. By actively rejecting those potential customers and not tracking them (because you refuse to provide them the product), does that not suffice to not have to worry about the rest of the terms?

I know there are a few cases regarding linking to news articles and how the company in question can't stop providing that service, but in all such cases I'm aware of the offending company had other ties to the EU whereby the GDPR might have been enforceable.

Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by RobertRoberts on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:50AM (#37704224)
How would you save the "reject all" selection without using a cookie for that user's session?
Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by starbugs on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:51AM (#37704239)
The cookie for saving the preference is technically required. Hence, it doesn't need consent.
Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by Houssameddine on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:03AM (#37704416)
I think you don't need a cookie for that. You can use localStorage which is local to the user's device.
Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by starbugs on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:16AM (#37704613)
It doesn't matter what method you use. Saving the information on the user's device and making them potentially identifiable is what counts.
Re:Ask HN: What is the least obnoxious way to ask for cookie... by markus92 on Saturday September 30, 2023 @06:39AM (#37714192)
It's not PII so you can just use a cookie.