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Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by UpToTheSky on Friday September 29, 2023 @06:35AM (#37701724)
Why does neither Microsoft nor Google nor Apple take the lead and offer free LLM answers like Google offers free search results?

Is that because there are simply not enough GPUs out there to do this at scale?

If so, it will become really interesting once that constraint goes away. There might be a shift in the search space like there was a shift from analog to digital photography.

Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by bayindirh on Friday September 29, 2023 @06:50AM (#37701837)
Getting results from a LLM with no guarantee of correctness is like computational photography. It looks nice, but that thing is not real.

Instead, I'm using Kagi, and feeding it old school search queries. Which provides me results I want in the first three slots, all the time.

Why fix something ain't broken?

Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by detourdog on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:15AM (#37702033)
Search wasn't broken Google needed a business plan and chose web ads. That is what broke search. The bifurcation of interests between selling ads and serving search results.
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by bayindirh on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:41AM (#37702277)
Then don't use Google? There are alternative and promising search engines now. Google is not the only game in town.
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by detourdog on Friday September 29, 2023 @11:22AM (#37705584)
I don't. I was simply pointing out the business model's effect on Google. I participate with a search that is uses a subscription model service.
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by ddalex on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:15AM (#37702032)
Who cares what's real if it's useful? We use all the times fictions that are not "real" but are useful, such as law codes, corporations, religions, etc.
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by hcks on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:28AM (#37702144)
I hope Harari appreciators will one day realise that social constructs are real too
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by bayindirh on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:42AM (#37702305)
When you're doing scientific research, or looking for public transport; the difference can decide your career's future or likelihood of you going home at night.
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by ddalex on Friday September 29, 2023 @08:58AM (#37703423)
careers are just social constructs; and I've not seen yet Google maps fail to find me a public transport
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by bayindirh on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:11AM (#37703670)
> careers are just social constructs;

Well, too bad that that social construct supplies you the tokens that allows you to buy food.

Or do you imply that food is not real, because everything leading to it is also unreal, even if it's physical (e.g.: money). If that's the case, try to survive without it for a couple of months.

> and I've not seen yet Google maps fail to find me a public transport

This is because Google Maps doesn't use LLMs, but standard and deterministic indexing methods working on hard data provided by governments.

Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by diffeomorphism on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:26AM (#37702120)
Obvious answer: because it is too expensive to offer it for "free".

Even if you had the GPUs, compute and electricity cost money:

https://medium.com/@zodhyatech/how-much-energy-does-chatgpt-...

Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by guidedlight on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:37AM (#37702223)
YouTube made a loss for many years because the storage and data costs were vastly higher than their revenue, despite offering the product for free.
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by edgyquant on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:00AM (#37703467)
Those were very different market conditions though
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by mrweasel on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:27AM (#37702133)
Even if there's enough GPUs they also needs to be available at a cost that makes it financially viable, both in terms of purchasing price, but also power and cooling. Environmentally it might not look to good to offer LLM answers to a wider audience, there are already concerns about the water consumption of ChatGPT in some regions, see: https://fortune.com/2023/09/09/ai-chatgpt-usage-fuels-spike-...
Re:Microsoft Discussed Selling Bing to Apple as Google Repla... by guiriduro on Friday September 29, 2023 @07:36AM (#37702215)
Microsoft does offer "Bing Chat" (derived from ChatGPT) integrated in their Edge browser, effectively free.