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Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by toomuchtodo on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:59AM (#37691513)
It's monetary policy tightening (effective rate 0% -> ~5%), not government spending. There is no recession, just normalization (zero interest rate policy, or ZIRP, was an abnormality). Unemployment is close to lowest amounts in history because of structural demographics. When money gets more expensive, you must perform, adapt, or die as a business. Cashflow is king, and profits juiced from government stimulus mentioned is simply evaporating as the Fed drains money out of the system.

Businesses are attempting to discover how to operate in a macro that makes labor and money more expensive than they've been accustom to over the last 15-20 years. u/DoughnutHole touches on another important point: businesses and capital are clinging to returns that might no longer be obtainable in this new macro (as we've been papering over reality with cheap credit and financialization for some time). What is going to break first? Who knows, first time we're someplace like this. Everyone is going to fight like hell to defend their piece of the pie (note the broad layoffs and back to hiring shortly after, as well as activist investors demanding trimming labor costs aggressively).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FEDFUNDS (Pick 10Y time scale)

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WM2NS

https://www.goldmansachs.com/intelligence/pages/why-the-us-m...

Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by johnvanommen on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:49PM (#37692280)
This might be the most succinct description of where we're at right now, that I've read all year.
Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by enriquec on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:01PM (#37692481)
Kind of - but it ignores the fact that the tightening was to fight inflation due to insane amounts of government spending. And the government just upped the ante and is spending more. Right now the national debt is growing faster than the economy. Expect everything to get a lot worse.
Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by bryanlarsen on Thursday September 28, 2023 @03:51PM (#37694858)
We've had massive government spending for >20 years now. When looking for explanations for new conditions, look for what has changed, not what hasn't changed.
Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by enriquec on Thursday September 28, 2023 @04:07PM (#37695082)
"I'm not obese because I've been over eating. I've always over eaten" The printing isn't new and neither are the recessions. They're just making them worse.
Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by bryanlarsen on Thursday September 28, 2023 @04:34PM (#37695446)
Good metaphor. One does not get suddenly obese, it happens gradually and steadily and is well correlated with overeating. Your metaphor illustrates my point, not yours.
Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by enriquec on Friday September 29, 2023 @08:19PM (#37711683)
How's that? If someone says "why am I so overweight?" do you say that it can't be the eating because that hasn't changed?
Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by bryanlarsen on Monday October 02, 2023 @04:58PM (#37744311)
Yes.

If you've been eating the same for the last 20 years and you've been gradually gaining weight over the last 20 years, then it's your diet.

If you've been eating the same for the last 20 years and you suddenly gain weight, it's likely not your diet, it's something else -- exercise, illness, et cetera.

Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by enriquec on Wednesday October 04, 2023 @03:17PM (#37770204)
... no
Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by sofixa on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:23AM (#37703834)
How do you explain the inflation found in EU countries, even ones with vastly different government spend and national debt profiles?

You're overfocusing on one single component of a fairly complex system. Government spending, COVID impacts (pent up demand, supply chain disruptions), a massive war in Europe impacting multiple crucial raw materials - they all have a part in the stagnation / borderline recession we're seeing. Anyone claiming it's "simple" or due to one single factor either has an agenda or doesn't understand how complex economics are.

Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by toomuchtodo on Thursday September 28, 2023 @08:26PM (#37697802)
I appreciate the kind words and the opportunity to present my analysis.
Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by johnnyanmac on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:31PM (#37697343)
>There is no recession, just normalization (zero interest rate policy, or ZIRP, was an abnormality).

I mean, both can be true. ZIRP wasn't made over the recessions either. Tech has been in that rush for at least 12 years now. If not longer. You mention 15-20 years after all.

We had at least one recession during your time period. It doesn't preclude another one.

>labor shortages in the post-pandemic era have led many employers to hold on to workers and hire less-skilled workers—even though they expect demand for their goods or services to weaken in the future. As a result, unemployment remains low, and labor productivity has declined."

I see this as a natural consequence to their actions, though. You require "Junior" engineers to have 3+ years of experience, discourage apprenticeships in lieu of short internship stints and headhunting acedemia, and overall try and compartmentalize engineering roles. So no surprise that labor in the Gen Z won't be as skilled as the Gen X that rose entire industries from the ground up. It's due (but not limited to):

- tech being more complex. How many people worked on Google search in 1999? How many work on search alone in 2023, let alone the other 30+ division Google has now.

- top talent more and more seeking out their own business ventures. Same questions as above. More startups and more Ycombinators to fund them. People really want to be or to fund "the next big thing" in a rate not seen since the Dot Com era.

- simply being ubiquitous. You can work in tech without being in a tech company. If you don't like the hustle of FAANG or high frequency trading, there are plenty of places who just need to maintain their website outside of tech. This won't drive growth as much, but it pays the bills.

There's many factors behind this, but I will emphasize that people requiring top talent need to invest in them. Schools don't have the same goals as employers, and schools as is are becoming more cost prohibitive as is.

Re:Epic Games is laying off 16% of its staff by CamperBob2 on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:32PM (#37697352)
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FEDFUNDS (Pick 10Y time scale)

The Max timescale is even more interesting. Almost every time one of those gray-shaded recessionary periods begins, it's preceded by a graph segment that looked exactly like the last couple of years.