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Re:Judge Rules US v. Google Trial Documents Can Be Posted On... by eqvinox on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @03:56PM (#37680363)
> "But given this has been live for 7 months and is very usable[sic] visible (see this reddit[link] thread where users in our ablation experiment noticed and called it a bug!)"

The reddit link & comment is just... chef's kiss

Re:Judge Rules US v. Google Trial Documents Can Be Posted On... by Fluorescence on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @04:06PM (#37680523)
> ablation experiment

What is that? "Ablation" as in removal? Do they AB test removing new features just for data? ... and also monitor SM threads for feedback?

Re:Judge Rules US v. Google Trial Documents Can Be Posted On... by hyeonwho22 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @04:34PM (#37680891)
In AI research ablation experiments are comparative tests, but in one branch some feature is removed. Here the Chrome team is saying that removal of the feature (which the Ads team wanted) was instantly noticed by users.
Re:Judge Rules US v. Google Trial Documents Can Be Posted On... by Atsuii on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @04:54PM (#37681161)
Yes ablation as in removal. They then refer to using the 3% experiment to estimate out revenue loss, so it appears they were running an AB test where it was removed for 3% of users so they could understand the metric impact of removal. Part of being a decent PM is monitoring SM for any feature talk.
Re:Judge Rules US v. Google Trial Documents Can Be Posted On... by harrulous on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @07:01PM (#37682657)
I did some sleuthing, and I found a notable amount of complaints about a "bug" around this time (mid March 2019), after Chrome update 73.0.3683.75 went live. Some examples: [1][2][3]

More specifically, starting 14 March, many users noted that the latest Chrome update removed almost everything from the New Tab page (including shortcuts, themes, settings button), leaving a single prominent Google search bar — nothing else!

This looks like it was intended to increase the use of the search bar, thus increasing SQV. By prominently displaying it as the only option when using New Tab whilst removing shortcuts, users accessing frequently used sites could only do so via search.

I'm not sure if this is exactly Ablation Experiment #7 that Anil was resisting to rollback, but it appears seemingly related to the general ablation experiments performed during this time to increase SQV.

Given Jerry eventually suggested a "scrappy tactical" compromise, i.e. "increasing vertical space between the search box/icons/feed on the new tab to make search more prominent", the March "bug" definitely seems to be related to these emails.

It is absolutely crazy to see tangible evidence of the pressure from the Ads(?) Team forcing the Chrome team to ablate/degrade functionality for their users.

[1] https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/2403795?msgid=24045...

[2] https://old.reddit.com/r/chrome/comments/b0ynkq/missing_2_sh...

[3] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=941631

Re:Judge Rules US v. Google Trial Documents Can Be Posted On... by bpye on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:12AM (#37685149)
Additionally, Chrome 69 was released ~7 months before that email [0] - in September 2018. This release added answers to certain queries directly in the Omnibox - and presumably it was that change that impacted ad revenue.

[0] - https://venturebeat.com/business/chrome-69-arrives-with-reva...