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Re:FTC Sues Amazon for Illegally Maintaining Monopoly Power by ImPostingOnHN on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:44PM (#37679298)
You are assuming they were unable to compete in a busier environment, and not punished by Amazon, as the complaint alleges. It sure would be a convenient-for-amazon coincidence if the ones "unable to compete" experienced any differences in their "ability to compete" as a result of Amazon's actions, after they sold cheaper on a competing marketplace. I doubt Amazon will be able to convince many people that it was a coincidence, versus what obviously appears to be anticompetitive business practices.

> What evidence have we been given that they punished folks?

What evidence do we have that the ones who listed cheaper elsewhere happened to suddenly be "unable to compete" in the same environment without any action by Amazon? Seems like a convenient coincidence. An unconvincingly convenient one.

We'll see what more comes out as far as communication goes, but more importantly, as far as disparate impact goes: given the data we'll receive as a result of this suit, we'll be able to tell statistically if there was any difference in treatment for sellers who sold cheaper elsewhere vs. not, regardless of pretext (suddenly becoming "unable to compete")

>at large, more competitors leads to fiercer contests and more losses. Pretty much period.

Perhaps. Amazon is fighting competition by engaging in anticompetitive business practices, and they're still around. Maybe there's something to that. If we want more competition to Amazon, then, that means we need Amazon to stop engaging in anticompetitive business practices.

Competition is fierce, worse when your marketplace is engaging in anticompetitive business practices.

Re:FTC Sues Amazon for Illegally Maintaining Monopoly Power by taeric on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @04:50PM (#37681122)
I'm specifically not claiming that Amazon is incompetent. Plenty of smart people work there. I don't believe in the hyper competence that shutting down some sellers seems to imply. Happy to be shown I'm wrong; but there are other mechanisms that would easily lead to the same outcomes that just seem more likely to me.

As for evidence that those that listed cheaper elsewhere would see lower ranking here, I only need to point at what is largely merchants arbitrage for so many items on Amazon today. By and large, if you see an ALL CAPS seller, know that you can get that exact item cheaper on another site. (Honestly, by and large, know that Amazon is never the cheapest option. Never really claimed to be.)

For maximum amusement, I've personally seen Walmart boxes from some sellers that were evidently taking advantage of a local sale to make some money online. (Not just 1-2 dollars, mind. Beginning of covid had people stocking up on trampolines and whatnot to resell online. You could easily flip some of those for 100% markup in that market.)

Hopefully this whole suit doesn't take years. Would love to see a prediction market on it. :D