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Re:AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’ by ethanbond on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @06:18AM (#37657106)
I see the reverse “lie that contains some truth” in your argument. Obviously this stuff will be used for all of these purposes as soon as it’s able, and probably a little bit before then.
Re:AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’ by robertlagrant on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @06:57AM (#37657431)
As soon as AI is able to tell a liar from a video of them? What does that mean?
Re:AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’ by ethanbond on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @07:41AM (#37657831)
As soon as it’s able to do that, it’ll be used for that purpose. Probably a little bit before it’s actually capable of doing it reliably.
Re:AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’ by robertlagrant on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @07:43AM (#37657848)
> As soon as it’s able to detect lying, it’ll be used for that purpose.

That's not the thing I was talking about.

> Probably a little bit before it’s actually capable of doing it reliably.

I think you said that already?

Re:AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’ by ethanbond on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @08:26AM (#37658265)
Okay sure let’s take your “bad character” version: of course this is being done. Someone already linked to a commercially available version of it for shoplifters. Of course this type of technology was used to identify protestors in Hong Kong. It was probably also used to identify Jan 6’ers.

And in fact you yourself already hedged that this probably is happening, “ But I doubt many people are trying this, except as a way to justify a marketing budget.” Aka you believe that at least some people are already attempting this.

Re:AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’ by robertlagrant on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @09:00AM (#37658643)
> Aka you believe that at least some people are already attempting this.

This is getting painfully repetitious, but that was about facial recognition, not deciding if someone's a liar or is of bad character via AI.

> Identifying protesters isn't the same as an AI filming you and deciding if you are of bad character.

Same comment.

Re:AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’ by ethanbond on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @10:09AM (#37659587)
Got it so we agree facial recognition will be dramatically amped up; we agree AI-based polygraphing will exist; you don’t think AI-identify-bad-intentions-button exists currently and therefore we are supposed to doubt that AI is a major surveillance hazard.

Am I reading this right now?

Re:AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’ by robertlagrant on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @11:12AM (#37660541)
> so we agree facial recognition will be dramatically amped up

It may be. Not that it will be.

> we agree AI-based polygraphing will exist

We didn't mention lie detecting, but no - I was saying liar detection, which was the thing from the article, also sounds like fear-mongering.

> you don’t think AI-identify-bad-intentions-button exists currently

Yes.

> therefore we are supposed to doubt that AI is a major surveillance hazard

No, that's a category error. "Major" and "hazard" are far too vague to decide upon. Will AI be used in surveillance in some capacity? Of course - it likely has been for decades, depending on how you define AI. But implying that you'll walk into a shop and be classified as a liar based on a video feed is not right. I understand websites need emotion for clicks, but I don't think it's right to do it this way.