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Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by mulmen on Thursday September 21, 2023 @05:28PM (#37604631)
DD/MM/YYYY also makes no sense because it doesn’t sort lexicographically and each component is big endian but the overall date is little endian.

Only YYYY/MM/DD HH24:MI:SS makes sense. Choose your sepators.

Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by pratik_kanthi on Thursday September 21, 2023 @09:00PM (#37606568)
Oh really? I guess we’ve all been doing it wrong for centuries! Perhaps while we're at it, we should propose a new system where the months come before the days, just to keep our dates in perfect lexicographic order. Who needs tradition and worldwide acceptance, when we could have perfectly sorted dates?
Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by dannyobrien on Thursday September 21, 2023 @09:14PM (#37606676)
Welp, that's what ISO 8601 is there for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by mulmen on Thursday September 21, 2023 @11:37PM (#37607545)
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Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by tuatoru on Friday September 22, 2023 @12:46AM (#37607984)
We didn't need sorted dates before we started using unstructured media to store information.

Hand-written accounting journals, day books, have date ordering built into their physical substrate. It didn't matter how dates were given orally (some places: "today is the 23rd of June 1844"; others: "it's June 23, 1844 today"); nor did it matter that this ordering was transcribed onto the paper, using month numbers rather than the names of the months.

Now we do need to sort dates, so let's turn Japanese.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_in_Japa...

Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by bearmode on Friday September 22, 2023 @04:56AM (#37609650)
In everyday use, the year is the least important part. It makes perfect sense in many cases. It's in order of most relevant information to least.

YYYY/MM/DD HH:MM:SS has its place as well, but not here.

Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by mulmen on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:37AM (#37609911)
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Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by bearmode on Friday September 22, 2023 @10:33AM (#37612588)
>How do you write the time? Do you put seconds or minutes before hours? Why not?

No, because the seconds are rarely important.

>How do you write the year? Do you put decade before century?

No, because that's not how numbers work.

>How do you write numbers? Do you put the ones place before the tens?

Same answer.

>Toddmorey asked why units don’t go from small to large and I explained that it is inconsistent with how we write numbers.

Dates aren't numbers. There is a lot more context and meaning around dates that we need to consider when we verbalise and write them. But, for the purposes of e.g. data storage then absolutely - we can consider them no different from numbers. You have to understand that isn't the case with conversational English, though.

Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by mulmen on Friday September 22, 2023 @02:12PM (#37615549)
> You have to understand that isn't the case with conversational English, though.

Yes, conversational english is arbitrary. The preference there is the familiar so the listener understands. But both commonly used date formats (MM/DD/YYYY HH:MI:SS and DD/MM/YYYY HH:MI:SS) are inconsistent and arbitrary. You can’t say your preference makes more sense than the other because that’s just a matter of personal familiarity.

Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by dacryn on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:24AM (#37609810)
lexicographically sorting is of lower interest to me than the other advantages. yours would also require padding numbers with leading zeroes.

If you need sorting, use a tool that understands dates, simple as that. Many tools do, just some common businesss microsoft tools don't.

Humans think day/month or month/day, they have absolutely no interest in reading the year first.

Re:Designing content for people who struggle with numbers by mulmen on Friday September 22, 2023 @05:35AM (#37609895)
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