There's the reputation loss in the eyes of the international community, shouldn't the authorities have some interest in not letting India be perceived as a country that allows theft and organized crime?

I doubt the Indian Govt doesn’t care about this. But it’s likely that the overworked policeman would rather solve an extra murder case than go after a scam office. Iirc there have been arrests made in the past by the Kolkata police, but it’s probably a whack-a-mole x inadequate resource problem.

Have you seen politicians accusing Indian government in allowing theft and organised crime? Because if not, there is no reputation loss. And I think politicians can close their eyes on the few scammers here and there for the access to Indian markets.

Besides, there is an angle of view "rich westerners extortioned our country for centuries, and now are accusing us with the same because of few scammers we're certainly honestly (not) trying to catch" which will be very popular in a certain parts of the world.

"Because if not, there is no reputation loss."

Much of the world views India as a corrupt, low-trust society, and it is things like scam centres operating as full blown, in the open operations that built and maintains this reputation.

And of course there are costs. China has shot miles ahead of India. Despite all of the advantages India enjoyed it has a GDP per capita below Congo. An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter.

Even if you think this is some sort of poetic justice tax[1] on ugly Westerners, this sort of criminality always goes hand in hand with corruption at all levels of government, in policing, and so on. Always.

[1] quoting from the Narcissist's prayer: "And if I did, you deserved it.". Criminals through history have justified their actions by claiming that it is merely righting some historic wrong.

> Much of the world views India as a corrupt, low-trust society

Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion.

> Despite all of the advantages India enjoyed it has a GDP per capita below Congo.

Congo-Brazzavile, which has GDP per capita slightly above India, is a petrocracy with only a 5 million people. DR Congo, which may be comparable, has GDP per capita four times lower than in India. Applying the same logic, I can say that US is more corrupt and low-trust because Qatar has higher GDP per capita.

> An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter.

If 7% average annual GDP growth for the last twenty years is now considered "faltering", I don't know what to say.

> Even if you think this is some sort of poetic justice tax[1] on ugly Westerners

I haven't stated that it is my opinion.

The "you" in that comment were the people who you were characterizing.

>Not really sure if much of the world shares your opinion.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022

Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation. I mean, you literally described a tacit acceptance of scammers as a norm...

>If 7% average annual GDP growth for the last twenty years is now considered "faltering"

After 20 years of that GDP growth, India now has a GDP per capita between the Ivory Coast and Nicaragua. When you have nowhere to go but up, and are basically a ship being lifted by a rising tide, it isn't that demonstrative.

India had the English language and a membership in the commonwealth in a world where that was a tremendous advantage. While Hong Kong, Singapore, and others became incredibly rich, India became known as a corrupt nation where public corruption was endemic and criminality/scamming was tolerated (again, you literally did exactly this justification). When criminality is tolerated it levies a cost on the entirety of that society. India should be decades further in prosperity than it is, and I think you might be missing the point. And at some point, someone is going to say "you know, being internationally infamous for scam centres isn't good for us" and there'll be a concerted effort to shut them down.

>Applying the same logic, I can say that US is more corrupt and low-trust because Qatar has higher GDP per capita.

That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following.

Not the guy you're replying to, but:

> Yes, most of the world views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation

I can't tell if this is satire or not but I don't think a "world [that] views India as a fundamentally corrupt nation" would have good ties with such a nation. Unless the US, France, and some African nations are all too "fundamentally corrupt" in some way. Perhaps only a few nations on this planet are blessed enough to be deemed fundamentally (not-)corrupt by you.

> That isn't the same logic, and I don't think you're following.

Why not? They applied the same logic that you used in your original comment, but this time applying it to a different set of countries. Does logic automatically become invalid when it no longer supports your statement? You

If this indeed was a satirical statement, I apologise in case I took your comment too literally.

>would have good ties with such a nation

Nation states will happily lever anyone they can exploit. As China ascends out of the "cheap labour" stage, and starts to become formidable on its own, everyone is looking at India as the next "China 30 years ago" -- lot of cheap exploitable labour. "Good ties" is quite a reach.

I mean...India should have been the "China 30 years ago" 30 years ago, but exactly the corruption I mentioned is why it wasn't. Defensiveness by Indians doesn't change this fact.

>They applied the same logic that you used in your original comment

They applied boorish, childish sophistry of busted logic out of defensiveness (it seems that both they and you are Indian, correct?). I said that India's GDP is disastrous despite massive advantages. Replying "Well someone else has a good GDP therefore they something something" is just tired nonsense.

>If this indeed was a satirical statement

The "oh gosh this must be satire" tactic has always been incredibly lame.

> become formidable on its own

If you mean to say that India on its own is not formidable in its current condition, you are living in an echo chamber. Several of India's achievements have made it a formidable country in its own right

> "Good ties" is quite a reach

Again, it appears that you are the only one with this view. In 2023, 70% of all Americans were held favorable views with regard to India [0].

> they applied boorish, childish sophistry of busted logic out of defensiveness. I said that India's GDP is disastrous despite massive advantages. Replying "Well someone else has a good GDP therefore they something something" is just tired nonsense.

Yet you were quite eager to use the measurement GDP per capita to somehow to portray India in an inferior light? Perhaps you need to read your own comments again, lest you contradict yourself again.

And I suppose being the country with the 3rd largest GDP (based on PPP) is "distastrous", right? Again something you got incredibly wrong. India is also the 5th largest country by nominal GDP.

> lot of cheap exploitable labour

Ah yes, explains the extremely good ties US has with Cuba (a country with no minimum wage). Accusing other countries of not fully cooperating in the fight against terrorism [1] is something that only the best of friends do, right?

> The "oh gosh this must be satire" tactic has always been incredibly lame.

Well the things you said in your comment were so mind bogglingly wrong that I had to include that. Comparing India with Congo? Really? Then you started crying when the other guy used your own method to say that Qatar was better than US.

[0]: https://news.gallup.com/poll/472421/canada-britain-favored-r...

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-says-cuba-not-coop...

>Again, it appears that you are the only one with this view

Sure.

Listen, you're a proudly defensive Indian with staggeringly bad reading comprehension, in complete denial about reality. I'll let you have this for your various delusional rantings.

> I don't think the discussion is of value.

The "the discussion isn't valuable" tactic has always been incredibly lame.

> shockingly poor

If you had actually done any research, you would have known that this is not in fact due to any "reputation loss" from scammers; that is utter nonsense. India wasn't always poor, but after the Portuguese and British invaded it (history lesson, somehow I get the feeling you're gonna need it) that its relative wealth began to diminish. Even after independence it remained a largely socialist society until 1991. It has mostly enjoyed spectacular growth since then

> endemic corruption

Like most of your statements, you have provided no source. Interesting.

> twisted national pride

If I have a twisted national pride, at least I use sources and facts to back up any opinions I base on that pride. Your twisted racist side doesn't do that.

> hilarious PPP

Again, no elaboration on why you think the PPP is hilarious. I will have to assume that you have nothing else to add and therefore jumped on the lowest hanging fruit. I also mentioned that India is the 5th largest country based on nominal GDP. Pretty comvenient, skipping past portions of my comment without addressing them.

> Canada, a country 1/35th the size, in economic output

Canada wasn't invaded by multiple countries, who systematically oppressed its residents and suppressed their trade for their own profit, was it? Oh also did I forget to mention that the aforementioned invaders stayed in the country for 500+ years [0], ruling it for 89 of them?

Also I'm sure the UN would use GDP based on PPP in its human development index because its so hilarious, right?

> actually spelled it correctly

Red herring much? English is my fourth language, which I started learning about 5 years ago. I actually think I'm pretty good at it, but maybe I'm not. I tried to type in everything that I quoted so I must have mistyped.

Also no, I'm not bragging. A lot of Indians know a lot of languages, because of the diversity of the country. The language you speak (or at the very least, its dialect) changes every few kilometres depending on the area. I know 4 languages (2 Indian, 2 foreign) and thats not a lot for an Indian.

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_India

> An economy with a strong scam and corruption basis will always falter.

Do you genuinely believe India makes a significant amount of its GDP from scam centres and corruption?

That doesn't follow from what I said. Scam centres might contribute an absolutely tiny, minuscule amount of economic activity. But the fact that they openly exist, do effectively nothing to hide, and authorities do little to nothing to combat it, demonstrates pervasive corruption and criminality.

Yes.

That reputation loss definitely isn't going to outweigh the money coming into their local economy thanks to the scams.

No intension to be snarky at all but Did the US govt give one shit about wallstreet, after FINANCIAL CRISIS? I mean it's a far bigger rep loss causing a cascading across the world. But everything is back where it was before FC. Still US is not perceived as a country that allows wall street to control it, at least the rest of the world doesn't think of it as so.

I think you'll find that it is a very common criticism of the US system that it often seems subservient to large companies, especially financial institutions.

Their disinterest arises from politicians and local police also benefiting from these scammers' earnings.

>Outsiders Problem

Not so much, these scammers looks for easy targets which both gullible old foreigners and Indians. The latest scam is Sextortion and Job promises, because there has been a lot of push to educate people to not share OTP, so these scammers keep looking new way to extort money.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/309435/india-cyber-crime...

Could you please share any sources or references that support your argument that Indians are not scammed?

NO.

Indians are victims of call center scams, too. Maybe not equal in monetary terms, but definitely equivalent or more in terms of frequency.

Call centers are scamming Indians big time.

The report this article is based on says about half of cybercrime is UPI fraud, so internal to India.

See also: ransomware and the Russians.

Not true - there are local scams as well