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Re:In Spain, girls report AI-generated nude photos of them b... by ToucanLoucan on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:53PM (#37572749)
> Stopping someone from physically harming someone else can come with severe -punishment- as a deterrent and is much more serious than sharing -any- type of data online. Stopping someone from making a digital parody of someone else gets closer to free speech territory and is a lot more complicated.

This statement is hilarious because we cannot even do the former for schoolchildren, let alone the latter. Between casual bullying resulting in fatalities due to the utter disinterest of the administration at play, to school shootings where police cower outside while someone murders children en masse.

Apparently being a child now is just grounds to have people make pornography of you, bully you relentlessly, with the distinct possibility you might die in a hail of gunfire one day for literally no reason.

No wonder the birth rate has cratered.

> You can make it illegal or try to detect and restrict sharing it in popular apps because it hurts feelings

CAN and SHOULD. INCREDIBLY illegal. Like registering the creator as a sex offender illegal, because that's what this is. It's a sex crime.

> but neither can ever be effectively enforced in an internet that allows open source applications and anonymity. See: piracy.

So we just give up?

Re:In Spain, girls report AI-generated nude photos of them b... by lrvick on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:01PM (#37572872)
Unless you have any ideas for a solution, I suggest we focus on education to contextualize what kids will inevitably see online. Kids are going to see over 18 content be it deepfake or hardcore. Censorship approaches do not work.
Re:In Spain, girls report AI-generated nude photos of them b... by palata on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:14PM (#37573065)
And teach engineers about ethics, too? I feel like it could help, because they are the one making the technology and often getting a ton of money for it.
Re:In Spain, girls report AI-generated nude photos of them b... by lrvick on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @04:50PM (#37576359)
I do wish we taught engineering ethics, because I do not feel like the majority of silicon valley surveillance capitalism tech workers have any ethics beyond following antiquated legal requirements.

That said, in a global internet any technology that can be created, will be crated, and made free and open for anyone to use. We can never escape this fact, and can only educate people on how to protect themselves as individuals as much as possible.

Google, Facebook, and modern surveillance capitalism app culture is -optional-. Smartphones have turned into a net negative that make most people miserable for instance. I for one do not have a smartphone, and am happier for it.

Re:In Spain, girls report AI-generated nude photos of them b... by palata on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @05:25PM (#37576967)
> That said, in a global internet any technology that can be created, will be crated, and made free and open for anyone to use.

Maybe, but that's not an excuse to do it, like: "I do it because anyway someone else will". Silicon Valley is throwing a lot of money into stuff that "someone else" would do, and it is not clear to me that this someone else would always have that kind of resources.

Re:In Spain, girls report AI-generated nude photos of them b... by lrvick on Wednesday September 20, 2023 @02:01AM (#37580858)
Saying a bad thing should be legal, or asserting it is not enforceable, is not the same thing as recommending people do it.

I think it should be legal to burn flags. I would also never do it or advise anyone to do it.

Sometimes a free country requires allowing assholes to exist, and educating each other on how to ignore them.

Re:In Spain, girls report AI-generated nude photos of them b... by ToucanLoucan on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:50PM (#37573553)
> Unless you have any ideas for a solution

I'm glad you asked!

Step 1: Anyone who uses any media, be it watercolors or generative AI, to create pornographic content of a minor should go to a LOT of prison and be registered as a sex offender.

Step 2: Educate children on these tools, what they may be used for, what they may not be used for, and illustrate vividly the extreme consequences thereof.

Step 3: When it inevitably happens anyway, enforce those consequences. The offender needs to go away for a long time, and be subject to rehabilitation programs to re-enter society. They should be treated as any other sex offender would, because that's what they are. Their age does not change their crime.

Step 3.5: Support the victim. Make it abundantly clear that anyone possessing this material any further will be subject to less severe certainly, but still severe consequences. It is to be deleted, to the maximum extent possible, from the maximum number of places possible.

Step 4: Any platform that permits this content to be distributed upon it should also be subjected to extremely steep fines and if the issue persists, seizure by the appropriate authorities. And frankly this should be expanded to all CAM, regardless of origin. Don't wanna regulate it, or feel you can't enforce this? Then shut down. Nobody asked you to to build a website and if you can't keep CP off your website, then your website doesn't need to exist, full stop.

Step 5: At this exact moment, begin changing how these generative tools are constructed. Make sure they only use training materials that are properly licensed and given over by their subjects and creators. If a given AI contains the ability to generate pornographic material, then it's distribution should also, in turn, be regulated as pornography already is. Yes, that will be probably be just as ineffective as it is for regular pornography. No, that is not an excuse to not do it. A tool that can make pornography on demand is indistinguishable from pornography.

And yes I am certain all of this will stifle innovation in the AI space. I don't care. Frankly if this kills it off entirely I think that's an unmitigated win.

Re:In Spain, girls report AI-generated nude photos of them b... by lrvick on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @04:37PM (#37576167)
How do you stop people from making deepfakes and sharing them on decentralized or end to end encrypted chats that are easy for anyone to use? Facebook bans sharing copyright movies, and yet every teenager can share them anyway. Also doing this is even perfectly legal in some countries we share the internet with. It is -impossible- to to deploy universal censorship without shutting the internet down.

Do you really suggest we abolish the right to privacy and anonymous speech in order to support the type of universal censorship you propose?

Re:In Spain, girls report AI-generated nude photos of them b... by ToucanLoucan on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @07:52PM (#37578714)
I find it incredibly illuminating that upon asking me how we should go about doing the thing you challenged me to do, you engaged with none of it and instead descended even further into niche technology to try and make it seem like, because it's technically possible, we shouldn't even attempt to regulate it.

No, we can't stop people sharing it over encrypted channels. What we can do is mandate that these AI include identification data in their generated images, which is tied to a singular person. And from there, we can identify and prosecute the creator, and through court orders to whatever platform holder is at play, get a list of everyone who downloaded it and shared it.

We do this shit constantly for major rights holders. We know how. We just choose not to because too many people think it's "just boys being boys" and enable a culture that thinks sex offenses aren't worth our time.