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Re:Snowden leak: Cavium networking hardware may contain NSA ... by mbakke on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:12PM (#37572086)
I generally hold a similar opinion. However I have two data points that suggests back-doors are not available by default (for my government at least), but that they are aggressively bugging (or auditing, lol) devices:

* When I ordered the first generation Raspberry Pi, they were stuck in the toll a long time, and when they arrived all the warranty seals were broken. Consequently I never really used them.

* When I ordered the first generation Google Pixel, before it was generally available in my country, it was stuck in domestic mail for almost a week. The person who imported them sold and sent two phones the same day: the other one arrived after just two days and travelled a lot further. I used it regardless as I already considered phones a lost cause... (and could not with good conscience sell a possibly compromised device).

At this point I don't trust anything sent by mail.

Re:Snowden leak: Cavium networking hardware may contain NSA ... by ilyt on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:25PM (#37572304)
I just assume I'm not interested enough to be spied upon by randoms

> When I ordered the first generation Raspberry Pi, they were stuck in the toll a long time, and when they arrived all the warranty seals were broken. Consequently I never really used them.

If state have means to bug raspberry pi it has means to re-seal the box...

Re:Snowden leak: Cavium networking hardware may contain NSA ... by mbakke on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:36PM (#37572468)
> If state have means to bug raspberry pi it has means to re-seal the box...

That's a good point that I never made sense of. The most likely explanation is simply an oversealouz toll agent. It just left a bad taste in my mouth so I didn't want to play with them...

I had largely forgotten about it until the Google Pixel got stuck.

Re:Snowden leak: Cavium networking hardware may contain NSA ... by backtoyoujim on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @12:48PM (#37572664)
unless they wanted you to know and feel threatened by it
Re:Snowden leak: Cavium networking hardware may contain NSA ... by phero_cnstrcts on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:46PM (#37573490)
> I just assume I'm not interested enough to be spied upon by randoms

I believe the fewest are. But constant surveillance is an advantage if you need to monitor general opinions or if they find you interesting at a later point and want to check your history.

So if you talk about burning wood in your stove a lot and it later becomes illegal you might have a hard time denying you have a stove if they ask you to pay extra carbon emission taxes.

Or if you talk about chest pain a lot and later want to get a new health insurance you might find that your options are mysteriously more expensive than others.

Re:Snowden leak: Cavium networking hardware may contain NSA ... by croes on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @07:41PM (#37578608)
As we learned from Snowden, they spy ob everyone they just don't look in every data point but they still collect everything they can get.
Re:Snowden leak: Cavium networking hardware may contain NSA ... by TheRealDunkirk on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:19PM (#37573133)
You act like the NSA has been caught intercepting Cisco switches during shipping, and installing backdoored firmware, or something. Crazy conspiracy theorists...