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Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by mortureb on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:53PM (#37561886)
But why? Don’t these billion dollar machines have a GPS tracker on them?
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by kube-system on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:57PM (#37561942)
They have transponders. But military airplanes can and sometimes do turn them off. When airplanes broadcast signals they can be detected. The military sometimes wishes to avoid this.
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by elihu on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @03:41AM (#37566730)
One of the article updates quotes from a Washington Post story:

> "The jet’s transponder, which usually helps locate the aircraft, was not working “for some reason that we haven’t yet determined,” said Jeremy Huggins, a spokesman at Joint Base Charleston. “So that’s why we put out the public request for help.”

Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by comboy on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @05:14AM (#37567340)
Uhm, but it could activate after ejection, certain acceleration pattern (i.e. crash) or could start broadcasting only after receiving very specific signal (one-time code) on a specific frequency. There are probably plenty more options, it doesn't seem like a hard problem from engineering standpoint.
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by MagicMoonlight on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @06:13AM (#37567733)
If you’ve gone down you probably don’t want the plane to be announcing it because that will tell the enemy where your pilot and hardware is.

There’s pros and cons to the enemy finding you but generally I’d imagine you want to give the pilot the chance to escape.

Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by outworlder on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:25PM (#37573213)
Civilian aircraft, even 2 seaters, have had ELTs for decades. They are being replaced with better systems, but they were designed to do just that: broadcast a signal on a specific frequency after a crash.

Doubtful you want to broadcast the position of the latest generation stealth fighter, however.

Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by comboy on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:40PM (#37573410)
As mentioned, it can be silent until receiving specific signal. It can be single frequency it can be multiple, but if it's specific string of bytes or specific timing it's practically impossible to brute force when it's long enough, and when looking for the plane you can broadcast it with high intensity because it is only single use.
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by _djo_ on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:01PM (#37561991)
They have transponders that transmit their identity and location on the most modern, but those depend on being active (for some reason the one in the F-35 was not) and on there being receivers nearby to pick them up. At lower altitudes in remote locations coverage is spotty.

So it's not a guarantee.

Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by mortureb on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:11PM (#37562121)
Why would an AirTag not work in this scenario? I’m guessing it would be a security risk?
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by _djo_ on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:17PM (#37562189)
First, yes it would be a security risk. Second, AirTags depend on there being a set number of iOS devices nearby to provide location data and an internet connection. You're not going to get that in a rural area.
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by sunnybeetroot on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @01:38AM (#37565957)
Alright maybe not an AirTag but a Tile tag would surely work?
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by _djo_ on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @04:23AM (#37566989)
It operates on the exact same principle. So, no.
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by rsaxvc on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @08:52AM (#37569242)
That would be a worse option, given they share location data.
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by oynqr on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:28PM (#37562333)
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Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by jpadkins on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:56PM (#37561925)
I don't think stealth aircrafts normally have trackers or anything broadcasting a signal. Kind of defeats the purpose...

I did read that stealth aircraft have transponders installed when operating in US airspace, so commercial radar can see them better. But it was not installed on this flight.

Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by _djo_ on Monday September 18, 2023 @05:02PM (#37561997)
They're always installed, just selectively disabled as needed.
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by elihu on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @03:46AM (#37566753)
The article mentions that they have transponders that can be used but apparently in this case it was off or not working. They can also attach a radar reflectors when they want to be more visible to radar, and apparently the weapons configuration plays a role too:

> "Also, the jet's configuration and its avionics' operability are an issue. The F-35s wear radar reflectors when on transit flights, as well as on many training missions and some operational ones. The Marine jets often wear missile rails for AIM-9Xs, as well. But if the aircraft was in its full stealthy configuration and had avionics issues, tracking it may have been troublesome."

Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by Aloha on Monday September 18, 2023 @04:56PM (#37561922)
GPS is not reliable underwater, I'd expect it to have an ELT/EPIRB but those don't work with GPS as far as I know, and the crash could have been hard enough to render it inoperable.
Re:US Military Asks for Help Locating Missing F-35 Fighter Jet by simne on Monday September 18, 2023 @09:34PM (#37564670)
In civilian planes, sometimes, standard ADS-B tracker turned on automatically.

But in military planes, it must be turned on explicitly, because, depend on target of flight, it is possible, it must be OFF.

In general, this is very frequent case, when pilot just forget to turn on ADS-B.