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Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by Gigachad on Saturday September 16, 2023 @04:24AM (#37532989)
> Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute

Not that much. And I just read hacker news while sitting on the train which I was going to do if sitting at home anyway.

Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by WeylandYutani on Saturday September 16, 2023 @04:48AM (#37533112)
A train that has seats left in rush hour? I envy you.
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by Gigachad on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:24AM (#37533563)
I either leave slightly earlier and beat rush hour, or even if I don’t, I can still use my phone standing.
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by dunefox on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:41AM (#37533641)
Wow, that sounds fantastic! \s
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by this15testing1 on Saturday September 16, 2023 @04:49AM (#37533118)
oh right, gigchad speaks for all people on earth who obviously have the same commute and transport options
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by DiggyJohnson on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:42AM (#37534678)
They never implied that. Your insult is completely out of place.
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by khuedoan on Saturday September 16, 2023 @04:51AM (#37533125)
Only if you live in a country with decent public transportation. The rest of the world still have to deal with traffic jam and polluted air while commuting (cars are difficult to get in many countries).
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by alophawen on Saturday September 16, 2023 @05:50AM (#37533403)
> Only if you live in a country with decent public transportation

So only in every country in the world except USA?

Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by rgrieselhuber on Saturday September 16, 2023 @05:56AM (#37533439)
Not if you count rural areas. In Japan for example, commuting every day in many areas still requires a car or long train rides. And the sardine-packed trains at rush hours in the cities are literally soul-sucking.
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by BlargMcLarg on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:28AM (#37533576)
Only Japan would remotely apply unless you're cheating the system by checking only hotspot cities and trying to claim they are the entirety of their country. Suffice to say, most people don't live near Amsterdam, let alone able to afford it.
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by john_the_writer on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:30AM (#37533861)
Or Sydney-Australia where if you're super lucky you're not standing squished on a train, or bouncing on a bus with 3 times as many people as seats.
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by hdjjhhvvhga on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:19AM (#37533544)
>> Think of how much time is stolen from you in a daily commute

> Not that much.

OK, let's assume it's not 90 minutes but only 20 minutes a day. That compounds, and it's a lot of time I could spend on what really matters to me, not work. Why should I do it, if I have a choice? Time is the most precious thing we have. I will never come back to the office, period.

Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by Gigachad on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:23AM (#37533562)
It’s 20 minutes where I catch up on the news get a bit of walking in from the home to the train station and generally wake up to arrive at the office ready to go.
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by john_the_writer on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:41AM (#37533923)
ha 20 minutes. Some days I waited for the bus longer than that. I waited because in Sydney the bus is on-time about 15% of the time. If you miss it, you wait an extra hour.

Not sure where you live, that's got a 20 min commute, but most people either live in a concrete prison to reduce the commute, or spend 2 hours a day on a bus/train.

I do know this.. if you worked from home, you could get all that you've outlined, and likely spend a pile less on rent/mortgage. Others who work with you would also get to see their kids before bed.

Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by Gigachad on Saturday September 16, 2023 @07:47AM (#37533964)
Sydney sucks. I’m in Melbourne and the train leaves every 5 minutes, takes me about 20 minutes to get to the cbd about 7km away. Rent is pretty affordable too.
Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by smugma on Saturday September 16, 2023 @06:25PM (#37539390)
25 min (maybe 30-40 if you include walking to and from station?) for 7km?

Seems like a bike or eBike would be a faster way to go? Melbourne climate is pretty temperate, no?

Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by Gigachad on Saturday September 16, 2023 @09:59PM (#37540745)
It's viable, but I think over all it's a little bit less convenient when you have to mess around with the bike, lights, helmet, etc. My place is about a 3 minute walk from the station so it's basically just step out the door and on to the train and then I'm there.

I don't mind riding my bike around to the nearby shops on the weekend but usually its just most convenient to get places on foot or by PT. I only really do it for fun and fitness rather than it being the fastest way to get around.

Re:Salesforce CEO goes back to being remote by intended on Saturday September 16, 2023 @12:10PM (#37536048)
That’s 20 minutes you have anyway if you work from home.

You could WFH, get up at the same time, spend 10 minutes meditating, 10 minutes walking and you would have been healthier and saved money.

Does your firm count that 20 minutes as part of your work hours?

If not, then WFH is superior.

How you use that time is a question for you to use your agency to resolve.