NASA says more science and less stigma are needed to understand UFOs

Re:NASA says more science and less stigma are needed to unde... by apsec112 on Friday September 15, 2023 @09:07AM (#37522330)

Testimony is often wrong. The testimony for the Mormon religion is just as compelling (arguably more compelling) than any UFO incident, yet the vast majority of people don't convert to Mormonism.

https://archive.ph/RsStS

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Re:NASA says more science and less stigma are needed to unde... by nobleach on Friday September 15, 2023 @09:18AM (#37522489)

Major difference being, you'd be hard pressed to find many folks who would call David Grusch "not trustworthy". Smith had already been convicted of "glass looking" to find buried treasure by the time he claimed to find these golden plates. Further, how many of the witnesses were not related? Lastly, how many of the witnesses later explained that their "vision" of the plates was in the spiritual realm, not the physical?

If David Grusch had showed up with a bunch of family members who claimed to have seen UAPs being dismantled with their "spiritual eyes", then perhaps I'd put his testimony on par with Joseph Smith (and Oliver Cowdrey and David Whitmer)

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Re:NASA says more science and less stigma are needed to unde... by tsimionescu on Friday September 15, 2023 @09:27AM (#37522628)

He's an intelligence official, so he is a priori untrustworthy, isn't he? There is 0 reason to take something an intelligence official tells you on trust.

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Re:NASA says more science and less stigma are needed to unde... by david-gpu on Friday September 15, 2023 @09:49AM (#37522930)

People are not asking to "believe" his testimony. We are asking to investigate the very specific classified information he shared with the ICIG, such as locations, directors, first-hand witnesses and project names.

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Re:NASA says more science and less stigma are needed to unde... by tsimionescu on Friday September 15, 2023 @09:59AM (#37523064)

The poster above was claiming that "no one is claiming Grusch is untrustworthy". As an intelligence official, he is the epitome of untrustworthy-ness. To start detailed public investigations, you'd first have to believe that his words mean something.

Of course, I would expect some internal investigation into if and why he is claiming these things, if it's not already known. But I don't see why anyone should spend any significant resources (let alone the public at large) going by the words of someone who is payed to hide things from the public.

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Re:NASA says more science and less stigma are needed to unde... by david-gpu on Friday September 15, 2023 @10:05AM (#37523142)

> But I don't see why anyone should spend any significant resources (let alone the public at large) going by the words of someone who is payed to hide things from the public.

If there is a conspiracy inside the DoD to hide reverse-engineering projects from congressional oversight, as Grusch claims, then there is a good chance that no investigations will actually be performed without significant pressure from the public.

That is why public engagement is important. Public apathy enables corruption.

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Re:NASA says more science and less stigma are needed to unde... by tsimionescu on Sunday September 17, 2023 @05:35PM (#37549583)

And if there isn't, the investigation will be a massive waste of money and time, and it's only result would be to maybe send Grusch to jail. And given how vague and fact-free his public testimony was, even that is not guaranteed.

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