Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by devnullbrain on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:01AM
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Softbank has spent 7 years and a CEO finding out how difficult just raising prices is.
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Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by boringg on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:39AM
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Especially when your lifeline is tied to Apple. No way are they going to manage to raise prices in a meaningful way.
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by scrlk on Thursday September 14, 2023 @11:56AM
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Apple was one of the founding investors of ARM back in 1990 - it's likely they have an extremely generous licence and pricing terms as a result.
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by xadhominemx on Thursday September 14, 2023 @12:17PM
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Apple’s involvement with ARM’s founding has zero impact on their negotiations or pricing.
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by devnullbrain on Thursday September 14, 2023 @12:23PM
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It does when that involvement means they're one of the few architecture licensees. Allegedly.
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by klelatti on Thursday September 14, 2023 @12:39PM
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They have an architectural license (for Arm v8/9) because they are a huge customer with deep pockets not because of a shareholding they sold a decade before that architecture was announced!
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by monocasa on Thursday September 14, 2023 @01:24PM
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It's not the deep pockets per se, but the hand Apple had in designing AArch64. Apparently their relationship with ARM is more like the Intel/AMD relationship, ie. cross-licensing.
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by fomine3 on Thursday September 14, 2023 @09:02PM
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SoftBank has/invests so many business related to Apple (like mobile career), that may affected to negotiation.
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by sapiogram on Thursday September 14, 2023 @12:27PM
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> No way are they going to negotiate to raise prices in a meaningful way against their largest client.
Why not? It's not like Apple will have anywhere else to go for the next 8 years. x86 cores are too slow and power-hungry for the foreseeable future, and building their own risc-V core will take... at least 8 years.
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by wtallis on Thursday September 14, 2023 @06:02PM
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8 years sounds like an absurdly long time to retrofit a different instruction set onto an existing CPU core design.
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by londons_explore on Thursday September 14, 2023 @02:29PM
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The deal with apple is probably 0.1% of revenue from all hardware sales that contain ARM IP or something similar.
Which means that if Apple decide to switch to RISC-V to save money, the deal is still in effect, but no money will be paid, so there might as well be no deal.
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by boringg on Thursday September 14, 2023 @04:33PM
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You think it's that low?
Re:Arm IPO to kick off today with company valued at $54.5B
by londons_explore on Tuesday September 19, 2023 @10:47AM
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Yes. For ARM, having apple as a customer is a massive investor and customer confidence boost.
For Apple, they won't offer much because they could develop their own CPU architecture ISA pretty easily (they control all code and compilers for the platform after all, and already employ lots of compiler and CPU developers).