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Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by saiya-jin on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:14PM (#37486352)
By far the biggest intrusion window these days is your browser. Latest firefox with ublock origin is simply the safest of them all, saving bandwidth, blocking youtube ads, saving battery, your eyes and so on.

Plus, currently plenty of androids have 5-6 years of guaranteed security updates. To be honest I wouldnt ever want to use much older phones even if patched up to date, too clunky, making bad photos (I have kids so this is top priority), not up to most network standards and so on

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by scarface_74 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:24PM (#37486542)
Which Android phones have 5-6 years of security updates?
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by bad_user on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:41PM (#37486857)
Samsung promised 3 years of updates in 2019, and then updated that pledge to 4 years, then 5 years for the flagships. What's exciting about Samsung's pledge is that it made this promise for mid-range models in the A series, which are fairly affordable.

My S21 Ultra is in its 3rd year and regularly updated. Should get 5 years of updates, and I intend to keep it until then.

Also, the writing is on the wall that the EU will force phone makers to years of updates, changeable batteries and availability of spare parts.

It's also noteworthy that Google has the ability to update many system services via Google Play. The poor track record of updates from phone makers basically demanded it. In other words, an Android device that hasn't received any system updates in a year or two is still fairly usable.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by mongol on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:49PM (#37487034)
I have an A70..I was just looking for when it will lose its software updates. The last update I have is from Dec 22, but I can't find information when it will expire.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by bad_user on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:11PM (#37487454)
Indeed, last update is from Dec-22. A70 should have gotten 4 years of security updates.

https://doc.samsungmobile.com/sm-a705fn/sek/doc.html

Looking at this list of devices getting updates, it only lists A70s with "biannual" updates, so A70 may no longer be updated:

https://security.samsungmobile.com/workScope.smsb

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by mongol on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:22PM (#37487661)
Indeed, some useful links you found there. Thank you!
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by Descon on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:35PM (#37486748)
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by scarface_74 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:40PM (#37486840)
OS updated for only 3 years after release and security updates for 5? This is still really bad.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by jsight on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:07PM (#37487395)
It really isn't, given how much of Android will get updated during those security fixes only years. Many of the builtin apps will still receive feature updates, likely even beyond that window.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by scarface_74 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:12PM (#37487482)
Compared to iOS 17 running on 5 year old phones and the 10 year old iPhone 5s getting a security update earlier this year?
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by nani8ot on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:34PM (#37487831)
Iirc Apple iOS includes more features than Android in the core OS. Google Services still receive updates and only things like the UI and system settings stay the same. Most people I know don't care at all about updates.

But I agree, it's great how Apple supports devices for 6 years with major updates. It would also be possible for Android phones if SoC & phones manufacturer actually cared.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by scarface_74 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:38PM (#37487892)
Anytime a new version of iOS is released, usually within the first 6 months it is on 80%+ of the phones
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by jsight on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:45PM (#37488015)
I have an ancient ipad. It still gets major updates, but not necessarily all of the best features from those updates. Maybe that is a hardware limitation or maybe not.

I also have a Pixel 5. It received Magic Eraser, which used to be a key feature of newer Pixels, as part of a regular Photos app update.

I'm still getting major updates too, but, tbh, they aren't that critical. Chrome, GMail, Maps, YouTube, Calendar, Messaging, the app store itself (including UI) and the core web browser will keep getting updates well beyond the end of life.

There really isn't a direct comparison here, but I wouldn't switch in either direction due to updates.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by scarface_74 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @10:29PM (#37491480)
If I’m not mistaken, apps that use embedded web views don’t use the installed version of Chrome do they? If that’s the case, that’s a major security issue by itself.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by telotortium on Thursday September 14, 2023 @01:36AM (#37505368)
I believe the system webview is no longer part of the core Android OS, but instead is updated regularly based on a recent version of Chrome. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by thegeekpirate on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:34PM (#37486743)
The Google ones do since the... 6a iirc?
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by wredue on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:31PM (#37486685)
Probably all of them, but that’s only cause, unless things have changed, it takes 3 years to get said updates in the first place.

I remember before I switched to iPhone I would wait and wait and wait and wait for the latest android and updates and a whole new version of android would roll out before I would even get the previous version.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:31PM (#37486686)
Samsung provides 5
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by scarface_74 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:32PM (#37486701)
So a Samsung phone from 2018 is still getting operating system updates or security updates?
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by bad_user on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:55PM (#37487151)
Their pledge has started in 2019, and the promise for 5 years of updates is fairly new. I remember they first promised 3 or 4 years of security updates.

For what is worth, I have a Galaxy Tab S6 from 2019 that is still getting security updates, although it wasn't updated to Android 13: https://doc.samsungmobile.com/SM-T865/ROM/doc.html

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by scarface_74 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:14PM (#37487509)
How are those operating system updates?

For reference, the latest version of iOS will run on 5 year old iPhones when it is released.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by bad_user on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:27PM (#37487717)
Apple has unparalleled support for older devices, I think we agree.

For operating system updates, Samsung pledged 4 years of updates for the flagships starting with S21.

The difference between Android versions isn't big. I also mentioned in another comment that on Android, to cope with phone makers not pushing for system updates, Google can update many system components via Google Play. And apps remain compatible. Being 2 versions behind the latest Android is OK.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by pmontra on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:45PM (#37486923)
My Samsung A40 from 2019 should have security updates until 2024. It's still getting them but not as often as in the first 3 years.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by technofiend on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:08PM (#37487398)
Directly from Google? Pixel 6 and up get five years of security updates, most likely in reaction to Apple's better support policies. Other manufacturers? You have to research it because it varies: https://www.androidauthority.com/phone-update-policies-16586...

Ideally Google would mandate a minimum number of years for both feature and security updates that macthes theirs of three and five, respectively.

Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by rz2k on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:32PM (#37486700)
While Firefox on iPhones does not allow extensions like uBlock Origin, Orion browser will allow you to install both Firefox and Chrome extensions, including uBlock Origin.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by the_gipsy on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @03:57PM (#37487193)
That's Impossible.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by WD-42 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:08PM (#37487405)
I tried Orion. It’s super unstable. I don’t know what tricks they are trying to play, but they clearly aren’t working.
Re:iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus by geoah on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @04:36PM (#37487866)
On IOS 17 orion starts and nothing works. Been like this for some time.