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Re:Ask HN: Why did Visual Basic die? by jopsen on Monday September 11, 2023 @08:03PM (#37475316)
> The issue is that a lot of times businesses outgrow their bespoke Access app or whatever... > Of course if that never happens it’s great..

It could also be argued that outgrowing your initial business app is good thing.

Lots of business don't outgrow it, because they don't grow :)

Indeed, it might be reasonable not to invest too much upfront, before you have scale and can afford to build stuff you won't outgrow.

Re:Ask HN: Why did Visual Basic die? by Spooky23 on Monday September 11, 2023 @11:07PM (#37476596)
The issue is there’s no engineering process around it, even in a shitty organization where the “engineering” is garbage.

One place I helped out at had a pretty awesome access app for doing some business functions. Way better than the Oracle whatever they failed to replace it with.

The problem was, nobody was willing to claim ownership. The business guy who wrote it was long gone, and IT would not accept an Access app.

Re:Ask HN: Why did Visual Basic die? by Khartoum on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @06:49AM (#37479149)
> The problem was, nobody was willing to claim ownership. The business guy who wrote it was long gone, and IT would not accept an Access app.

If the business relies upon that Access app, and IT refuses to accept it, then it's a failure of IT to accept it and then replace it.

IT exists to serve the business.

Re:Ask HN: Why did Visual Basic die? by ta1243 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:41AM (#37479556)
If Nobody in the business is willing to sponsor the application then it shouldn't be there.
Re:Ask HN: Why did Visual Basic die? by emodendroket on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @12:38PM (#37483890)
OK but does IT exist to serve the business by accepting responsibility for stuff that doesn’t meet their standards and they can’t really support? Why have qualified people at all then?
Re:Ask HN: Why did Visual Basic die? by analog31 on Tuesday September 12, 2023 @07:34PM (#37490149)
I can't speak to IT specifically, but generally the answer would be yes. Stuff happens, resulting in "nonstandard" or unexpected requests, and the decision on how to deal with them rests with the business. In my own work, this can often happen by accident when departments and business units are reorganized and acquired. I once got an entire product line dropped in my lap, that didn't work at all, hardware or software.

Many, if not most, professions are not nearly as well organized and optimized as IT, so we don't have things like silos and ticketing systems to regularize our work. I can imagine an IT worker who has never experienced a nonstandard request, but I can't imagine it in my own occupation.

Re:Ask HN: Why did Visual Basic die? by Spooky23 on Wednesday September 13, 2023 @02:12PM (#37499757)
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