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Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by Zetice on Saturday September 09, 2023 @10:12AM (#37445679)
That’s exactly what is being discussed, even if you don’t realize what it is you’re saying.

Americans are not more deserving of jobs than foreigners, Americans are not better than foreigners.

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by peteradio on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:02AM (#37446186)
Americans are free to rule their country as they wish that is basically the premise it's founded on. Deserve means nothing in this context.
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by Zetice on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:10AM (#37446288)
Deserve means everything in this context, because I, as an American, am discussing with my fellow Americans how our country works and the principles upon which we ought to rule ourselves.

Those principles are heavily founded in “deserve”. You are watching some infinitesimally small part of that “ruling” process.

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by jimmygrapes on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:46AM (#37446701)
Citizenship is meant to limit external actors influencing the vote of who should represent the people of any given area, and being qualified to represent the people by virtue of a sustained commitment and longevity.
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by Zetice on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:55AM (#37446802)
No, it's meant to determine which people have agreed to the social contract. Citizenship is not some sacred thing you must earn; simply agreeing to give up some freedom is all it takes to benefit from the social programs offered by a government.

The bureaucratic concept of "citizenship" is just a way for people to construct barriers of hate around the benefits offered by a nation while still forcing people to accept the sacrifices.

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by nec4b on Saturday September 09, 2023 @01:34PM (#37447876)
Are you putting other people before your family, friends or neighbors?
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by Zetice on Saturday September 09, 2023 @01:50PM (#37448101)
My family and neighbors aren’t occupying 3.7 million square miles and aren’t numbered in the hundreds of millions, so the analogy does not hold.
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by nec4b on Saturday September 09, 2023 @04:58PM (#37450211)
At what square footage does it start holding then? At what point do you start caring more for others than your family and vice versa?
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by Zetice on Saturday September 09, 2023 @08:46PM (#37451824)
When you aren’t the sole owner of the resources being managed. Once you establish a commons, you need a bureaucracy of some kind to manage it.
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by nec4b on Sunday September 10, 2023 @04:28AM (#37453961)
Like a shareholder company? So they should pay dividends to non stock holders?
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by pacerier on Thursday September 14, 2023 @05:26PM (#37515065)
No. But they shouldn't restrict sales based on birth / color, and allow everyone to buy-in. The problem here is that people who actually want to join/buy/agree cannot do so.
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by dudul on Sunday September 10, 2023 @06:39AM (#37454598)
Man that's some serious goal post moving happening on this thread. We go from land superficy to land ownership - with a little sprinkle of "muh racism" because why not.

Is it about land superficy or about ownership? Can we establish a clear framework here instead of constantly jumping from one wishy washy thing to the other?

You aren't the sole owner of your house either. Even without a mortgage you are not. So if someone adhere to the social contract in your house I assume you let them in to do as they please (within the limit of the contract of course.)

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by Zetice on Sunday September 10, 2023 @09:12AM (#37455519)
The house analogy makes zero sense, as my house is not a commons (I am sole owner, even with a mortgage, methinks you don’t have one of these), but if it were then yes, anyone agreeing to the social contract of the government of my home would be allowed in or out.

It’s about how to manage shared resources amongst people who all have equal claim, which is everyone who has agreed to the social contract. When you agreed is irrelevant.

Frankly, I would argue that many people born in the US do not hold up their end of the social contract, and should thus take a backseat to immigrants who would come here and care deeply for the social contact in their place.

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by dudul on Sunday September 10, 2023 @10:52AM (#37456355)
Zoning laws, property taxes, liens, HOAs. You live a fantasy, you never answer any question in replies and just keep jumping from one thing to another. Completely unproductive. Done here.
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by Zetice on Sunday September 10, 2023 @02:19PM (#37458497)
All of which I consent to and benefit from? You don’t understand what ownership or citizenship means, clearly.

Yes, you are done.