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Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by throwaway290 on Saturday September 09, 2023 @08:48AM (#37444731)
This is such a tone deaf rosy eyed out of touch with reality comment.

Modern slavery exists. See things like Uyghur camps, people sold to work until death on Thai boats or exit visas in Saudi Arabia.

Having a choice to work for money or (gasp) return home is not even remotely the same? To put them under the same label is to discount the actually bad stuff.

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by dotnet00 on Saturday September 09, 2023 @09:24AM (#37445097)
"Return home" is awfully convenient phrasing to gloss over the fact that to many of the people caught in this system, the US IS their home in practical terms and "returning home" to their country of origin is more like uprooting your entire life within a few weeks and restarting it in a foreign land.

Especially with Chinese and Indian H1Bs, the wait for permanent residency can be so long that they may have spent over a decade in the US with no meaningful connection to their country of origin, with all their friends and immediate family here.

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by throwaway290 on Saturday September 09, 2023 @09:29AM (#37445160)
Correct. Now you can maybe read up on those things I mentioned and understand why you are still failing to make H1B even remotely look like actual modern slavery. (Spoiler alert: it might have something to do with pitting "uprooting life" & "no friends" against "no option to leave", "life in confinement" and "work till death")
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by dotnet00 on Saturday September 09, 2023 @09:55AM (#37445443)
Calling it slavery isn't to say that the situation is on par with Uyghur camps or Indian laborers in the middle east etc. Just like "I'm dying from this heat" doesn't actually say that the heat is so severe as to kill you the way it can in some parts of the world.

The point is that the system creates a similar sense of entrapment as slavery. The fact that it isn't literal slavery doesn't make it not an exploitative practice worth fixing.

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by throwaway290 on Sunday September 10, 2023 @03:05AM (#37453548)
"I'm dying from this heat" is okay because dying is something we all do.

That phrase would stop being okay if death was something that happens not to you but to poorer people in other countries. See the difference?

Comparing your privileged life with really bad events that happen to others makes light of them. There's a reason things like "omg it's like a gas chamber here amirite?" are often frowned upon and Auschwitz is stuff of the past but slavery happens today.

Also, sorry but the last part about "similar sense of entrapment", it's not entrapment when the worst that can happen is you go home. I myself am on a working visa, yes if I get fired I go home where I'd rather not be, but I'd never have the gall to compare it to literal slavery as long as it's happening...

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by dotnet00 on Sunday September 10, 2023 @08:15AM (#37455128)
Easy to say that when you don't have a family member who is suicidally depressed because they spent 20 years working hard to get through the process, had their green card application process messed up by their employer, have barely lived in their country of origin and have no career prospects there because what they are educated in is not valued there.
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by throwaway290 on Sunday September 10, 2023 @10:26AM (#37456085)
I have extended family members who lived in war zone in the past couple of years. Somebody just started bombing their city. They had to move.

So yeah sorry to hear but it's one of those many sucky situations in life. The lack of options is illusory. Mental issues are mental issues, slavery is slavery, misfortune as a free person is misfortune as a free person.

Sounds like grounds to sue for the "messed up" process? If not I assume if whoever it is worked 20 years in the US they have experience that can be valued in many countries. I'd recommended checking around the more reasonable ones like Canada or Australia. As free person can.

Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by allarm on Saturday September 09, 2023 @02:21PM (#37448511)
I wonder how Singapore never gets into this list with their maids and helpers and builders living in dormitories.
Re:Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US... by throwaway290 on Sunday September 10, 2023 @02:59AM (#37453545)
There are no exit visas for foreign workers, right? Just like with SV, you have an option to come work for money or leave home anytime. Yeah condition may suck but it's a fundamentally different situation.